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Old 05-26-2011, 09:58 AM   #46
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I think we all agree that the world will eventually end. Even die-hard Atheists accept the theory that since they know a big meteor hit the Earth twenty thousand hundred million or billion years ago, it's going to happen again someday.

So although the how, why, where, and when may be in dispute, we all know we aren't looking at a dust ball that will last indefinitely.

And we all sure know we, ourselves, won't live very much longer in human form.

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Old 05-26-2011, 01:40 PM   #47
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Ya know, I’m sincerely enjoying this particular topic.

But I am hoping that my words and my sometimes kind of a ‘one-way’ view of things doesn’t turn anyone off to the freedoms of living every day of this life to its fullest.

My appreciation of the Lebanese poet, Khalil Gabran, should be no secret to anyone here. And his most famous piece of work, The Prophet, is my favorite. It is from that poem that I took this little reminder concerning laws and our many and sometimes opposing views of them…

Try to think on this no matter what is going on around you.

"People of Orphalese, you can muffle the drum, and you can loosen the strings of the lyre, but who shall command the skylark not to sing?"
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:59 PM   #48
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Willie T, you are an enigma. Craftsman, mentor, philosopher....in essence a Renaissance Man.
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:03 PM   #49
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"I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers."

I'm really not a Craftsman. More, just a builder.
A mentor? I hope so; that's important to me.
Philosopher? That's scary! I just feel there is always a reason......


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Ahh. Morals and ethics.

I attended a Jesuit college and studied ethics and philosophy as part of my biology degree. When I went to law school we extensively examined the difference between morals and ethics (at William & Mary it was primarily from an enlightenment background). It's mind-bending stuff when you start to really look inside yourself.

The Oxford English Dictionary (1989) seems to show that, from the earliest times, the words had very similar meanings.

"Ethic" as a noun has the senses "The science of morals" and "A scheme of moral science", and these are treated as parts (a) and (b) of a single meaning. The earliest citation is from 1387.

"Ethics" (in the plural) divides into a number of meanings. The sense of "The science of morals; the department of study concerned with the principles of human duty" dates from 1602. The sense of "The moral principles or system of a particular leader or school of thought" dates from 1651.

"Morality" in the sense of "The doctrine or system concerned with conduct or duty; moral science" dates from 1449. In the sense of "Moral conduct; usually, good moral conduct; behaviour conformed to the moral law; moral virtue" it dates to 1609.

"morals" in the sense of "Moral habits or conduct; habits of life in regard to right and wrong conduct" dates to 1613. And the sense of "Moral science; moral doctrine; ethics" is said now to be rare, but dates at least as far back as 1651.


Kant's categorical imperative, in my paraphrase, states: Act only according to that maxim by which you can also will that it would become a universal law. Guidance that is similar to WWJD or the 'golden rule'.

But, if we accept this, we are either left with a small set of rules that apply to everyone (don't abuse the helpless is universal - but exceptions could still be argued) or we are stuck adhering, without exception and at all times, to our own rules (never telling a lie is a sticky example).

I perceive the former as trying to encompass the entire scope of humanity's morals and the latter as strictly delineating only your own morals.

I am hard pressed to define, for myself, either of these. The closest I get to either is Primum Non Nocere - or - I consider it the moral thing to return your grocery cart to the store or the stall. I have never deviated from this moral. Of course, the grocery cart is a flippant example, but it is something that I always, without failing, do.
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I found this rather profound explanation to be pretty adequate in expressing the practical differences.

The Ethical man knows he is not to cheat on his wife. The Moral man doesn't do it.
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The Ethical man knows he is not to cheat on his wife. The Moral man doesn't do it.
I always figured if you're happy in your relationship, there is no reason to cheat.
I've been with my wife for 23+ years and never felt the need/desire to be with another woman..... and I'm PRETTY sure she's not been with another man either!
(As much as we're together, it'd be nearly impossible!)

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I found this rather profound explanation to be pretty adequate in expressing the practical differences.

The Ethical man knows he is not to cheat on his wife. The Moral man doesn't do it.
This is a good example to illustrate the differences in the definition of ethics and morals. My husband of 13 years better be pretty-damn-moral.

But your example ignores the fact that morals and ethics are not mutually exclusive you can be(have) both. Granted, there are people who only have one or the other. Having both just means acting morally and thinking about the application of your morals.

I reflect on the following quote. I think I read it first in Miss Manners the well known font of ethical exploration.

I also parse it as "Before you act"
“Before you speak, think -Is it necessary? Is it true? Is it kind? Will it hurt anyone? Will it improve on the silence?”
- Sri Sathya Sai Baba

Not too far off WWJD.
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Will it improve on the silence?
I prefer the silence.....

Whenever I open MY mouth, all it does is remove all doubt.

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I reflect on the following quote. I think I read it first in Miss Manners the well known font of ethical exploration.

I also parse it as "Before you act"
“Before you speak, think -Is it necessary? Is it true? Is it kind? Will it hurt anyone? Will it improve on the silence?”
- Sri Sathya Sai Baba

Not too far off WWJD.
Ya know, for a self-proclaimed Athiest, you sure do come awfully close to quoting the Bible a lot... I like that!

<< Philippians 4:8 >>
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.
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I prefer the silence.....
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Some more quotes from song:


And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never shared
No one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools," said I, "you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows

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Hey Jude refrain
don't carry the world upon your shoulders
For well you know that it's a fool
who plays it cool
by making his world a little colder



(I'm not a big fan of silence.)
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Ya know, for a self-proclaimed Athiest, you sure do come awfully close to quoting the Bible a lot... I like that!
The bible, like most religious works, is striving to be a guide to righteous living.

{righteous in the literal sense: acting in accord with divine or moral law; free from guilt or sin}

You don't become the sort of atheist I am without knowing source material. I was raised Catholic, I've been on a mission trip to Africa with a evangelical christian group, I've read parts of the Koran, The book of Mormon, and various books on eastern religions.

I'm not a denier of god. I admire/envy those with faith. I'm not insulted or disdainful if someone says they are going to pray for something.

There's a big difference between "there is no god" and "I don't believe there is a god".
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There's a big difference between "there is no god" and "I don't believe there is a god".
Well, I have to admit that I can't figure that one out. They kind of sound like the same thing to me. But it doesn't matter, I guess... as long as you know what you meant.
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I guess I would be described as Agnostic. I was a youth minister in a Baptist church many years ago. I have studied religons extensively through the years. I know more about Christianity and Baha"i Faith than others. What always amazes me is the total ignorance of Bible history by many clergy.
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Well, if itching ears just have to have a prophecy, I can make one you can take to the bank:

The end of the world WILL come to almost every single one of us on this forum before the year 3,000. A heck of a lot sooner for many of you old farts!

Now them's is some straight facts.

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