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Old 05-25-2011, 08:17 AM   #16
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Printing press?
All the money you would want?
Sounds like some of the governments I've heard about.
(I'm not one - but, I've seen them on TV!).
Oh No - T-storms just started; maybe I should keep my ugly, "heretical",
"blasphemous" self inside!?!
Them, there "Liten' Blots", sure do smart!

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Printing press?
All the money you would want?
Sounds like some of the governments I've heard about.
(I'm not one - but, I've seen them on TV!).
Oh No - T-storms just started; maybe I should keep my ugly, "heretical",
"blasphemous" self inside!?!
Them, there "Liten' Blots", sure do smart!

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(Just send more money!)
slow down man. i think that government is under a different thread than religion.
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Understanding the the Biblical encouragement to be able to freely loosen your purse strings is not difficult at all.

What causes most of the problems in this world? It's an easy, one-word answer: greed. It may not always be simply money that we crave, but it always centers around the greedy desire to 'get more' of something for ourselves.

I have absolutely no problem with turning loose of coin. I think this wolrd would be a better place if we could all learn that freedom.

But I DO seriously question doing so just because some deluded fool tells you to. If you don't understand giving, and have an inner desire to do it freely, you have no business funding any cause... no matter HOW misguidedly sincere the requester may appear.

Giving isn't about money.

It's about learning not to trust in possessions.

As has been said, God (however you envision that power) doesn't need money. But WE, ourselves, need to learn how to free ourselves from the love of money.
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slow down man. i think that government is under a different thread than religion.
yes i am quoting myself. do you think that god created government to make the money that he needs.
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[quote=Willie T;654579]Understanding the the Biblical encouragement to be able to freely loosen your purse strings is not difficult at all.

What causes most of the problems in this world? It's an easy, one-word answer: greed. It may not always be simply money that we crave, but it always centers around the greedy desire to 'get more' of something for ourselves.


i give more than most, i think. what you said makes perfect sense. off topic. i just noticed that you are from st. pete. my profile pic is from that area.
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Doesn't the scripture say "for the love of money is the root of all evil ?
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Just a thought - some of the money I seen says "In God We Trust".
Interesting!
AHHH! the "almighty" dollar!

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Yeah, it's a bitter pill for some people to swallow. But it's medicine we all need.

And it comes disguised in so many subtle forms.

Can you imagine your reaction to feeling you were led to just out-and-out give away your fastest car to someone you didn't even know?......... And I mean with no money in the bank to buy another one.

It hits home hard when we broaden the field of view a little.

I'm sitting right in front of my own Achilles heel, my computer.
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It's sad. This money could have gone towards better things like missionaries or charity.
Exactly.

Our church has a bunch of guys headed to Joplin, MO to help down there. Our youth minister is going to be asking for donations for supplies to take. Knowing our church, there will probably be several thousand dollars given, to help in this time of crisis. It's just the right thing to do.

THAT is what Christians SHOULD be doing - not spending millions of dollar to support some crack-pot like Harold Camping.
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Doesn't the scripture say "for the love of money is the root of all evil ?
Actually, it says that money is a root of all kinds of evil. And it indeed is!
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I really like Khalil Gabran’s, The Prophet. Here’s another part of that poem… this about ‘giving.’

Then said a rich man, "Speak to us of Giving."

And he answered:
You give but little when you give of your possessions.
It is when you give of yourself that you truly give.
For what are your possessions but things you keep and guard for fear you may need them tomorrow?
And tomorrow, what shall tomorrow bring to the overprudent dog burying bones in the trackless sand as he follows the pilgrims to the holy city?
And what is fear of need but need itself?
Is not dread of thirst when your well is full, thirst that is unquenchable?
There are those who give little of the much which they have - and they give it for recognition and their hidden desire makes their gifts unwholesome.
And there are those who have little and give it all.
These are the believers in life and the bounty of life, and their coffer is never empty.
There are those who give with joy, and that joy is their reward.
And there are those who give with pain, and that pain is their baptism.
And there are those who give and know not pain in giving, nor do they seek joy, nor give with mindfulness of virtue;
They give as in yonder valley the myrtle breathes its fragrance into space.
Through the hands of such as these God speaks, and from behind their eyes He smiles upon the earth.
It is well to give when asked, but it is better to give unasked, through understanding;
And to the open-handed the search for one who shall receive is joy greater than giving
And is there aught you would withhold?
All you have shall some day be given;
Therefore give now, that the season of giving may be yours and not your inheritors'.
You often say, "I would give, but only to the deserving."
The trees in your orchard say not so, nor the flocks in your pasture.
They give that they may live, for to withhold is to perish.
Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is worthy of all else from you.
And he who has deserved to drink from the ocean of life deserves to fill his cup from your little stream.
And what desert greater shall there be than that which lies in the courage and the confidence, nay the charity, of receiving?
And who are you that men should rend their bosom and unveil their pride, that you may see their worth naked and their pride unabashed?
See first that you yourself deserve to be a giver, and an instrument of giving.
For in truth it is life that gives unto life - while you, who deem yourself a giver, are but a witness.
And you receivers - and you are all receivers - assume no weight of gratitude, lest you lay a yoke upon yourself and upon him who gives.
Rather rise together with the giver on his gifts as on wings;
For to be over-mindful of your debt, is to doubt his generosity who has the free-hearted earth for mother, and God for father
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Money (or almost anything - I did say "almost" - Right!?!) is not the root of evil - (evil is evil).
It's what is done with it.
Too much of a good thing ..... and so on.

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Money (or almost anything - I did say "almost" - Right!?!) is not the root of evil - (evil is evil).
It's what is done with it.
Too much of a good thing ..... and so on.

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I think the original Greek comes close to getting it more on target.... The interpretation is something like this:

"For a root of all the evils is the money-love".
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Yes, sometimes I don't hit the "bulls-eye" dead on.
However, I'm very good with "collateral damage".

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And it is important to understand 'root'.

'Root' is not necessarily 'the beginning', but a source of nourishment and development. Like a seed, evil exists and it puts out roots to gain a foothold and an anchoring. And from those various roots (one being the money-love) it feeds and grows in its strength and power over us.

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