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Old 08-11-2013, 01:34 AM   #16
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Cat urine smell is impossible to get rid of. Its time to give cat back to shelter. Its not a properly trained indoor cat.

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Old 08-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #17
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Over the last few years we have morphed into a cat shelter and currently have 14. Can't say no to a kitty in need. Many people don't realize that female cats that have spent a lot of their life outdoors will develop marking habits. The occasional out of the box squirt is intended as a sign post. Letting her out will only reinforce this behavior. Illness is another common reason for litter box aversion. Box placement and style can also play an important role. You mention automatic boxes. Try something a little less intimidating. I know our cats would be terrified if their bathroom was "alive". My wife & I freely acknowledge that we have gone over the deep end with cats and having made peace with this fact are only using sheet vinyl flooring from now on.
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:28 AM   #18
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Over the last few years we have morphed into a cat shelter and currently have 14. Can't say no to a kitty in need. Many people don't realize that female cats that have spent a lot of their life outdoors will develop marking habits. The occasional out of the box squirt is intended as a sign post. Letting her out will only reinforce this behavior. Illness is another common reason for litter box aversion. Box placement and style can also play an important role. You mention automatic boxes. Try something a little less intimidating. I know our cats would be terrified if their bathroom was "alive". My wife & I freely acknowledge that we have gone over the deep end with cats and having made peace with this fact are only using sheet vinyl flooring from now on.
Thanks for everyone's perspective. I don't think the automatic boxes are the problem. I kept the standard box out next to the auto box for almost 2 months. It seemed that she preferred the 'always clean' auto box. Maybe I need to place another box in the living room near where the accidents keep happening.

We will be installing our new flooring in a month. So either this problem gets corrected or the cat MUST go. I like the cat, but my wife wanted to install $9,000 worth of new hardwood floors. I just cannot let her destroy them and make my house unbearable to live in.

I am going to treat the sub-floor with either the amonio or enzyme stuff and lay down a good moisture-vapor barrier under to flooring.
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Get rid of the cat and tell the wife it never came home.Problem solved.
I agree. Give it to a coworker. Someone who has never and will never meet your wife.

But.. What if she comes home with another cat?
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Seems like we have always had a couple dogs and a cat over the years. We lost my wife's cat of 20 years back in Jan of '12. It didn't take long for the wife to start looking a the shelter for a rescue to bring home. She found a cute little crazy thing that she brought home. Must have been a street cat, because its been super hard to keep her indoors. She always comes back, but we want to keep here in for obvious reasons.

The cat has a BAD habit of #1 and #2 all over the house. We sold our house in FL in July of last year, and I KNOW that the smell made it hard to sell and cost us untold $ on the sale of that house.

Our new home in IL seems to be a continuation of the same problem. We do have dogs, but we have the house areas separated off so the whole basement and 50% of the main level are dog-free zones. So the cat has plenty of space to herself. We got automatic cat-boxes for upstairs and the basement, and she does use them regularly.

We are in the middle of a full remodel of our Kitchen and replacing all the flooring on the main level. Pulling the old carpet out the curb made it VERY clear how much damage this animal is doing to my house.

Its Just DRIVING ME INSANE knowing that this cat is likely to urinate all over $10,000 worth of new wood floors I am getting ready to install.

My wife is still undergoing treatment for ovarian cancer, so I don't want to do anything that would upset her. (or the cat might just dissapear!)/

I am at the end of my rope with this cat!! My only other option is to crate her, but that just seems cruel.

Any practical suggestions would be appreciated.

....guess I just needed to get this off my chest.
I empathize. Sometimes these things are due to medical problems such as urinary tract infections. Aside from that, I think cats can just be spiteful, disobedient little bastards. With dogs if you put in the time and work you can correct the behavior. Once they are trained, the prospect of going inside will stress them out as much as it will you. With cats, it seems like they are un-trainable. You provide the litter box and make it as attractive and clean as you can. Most do the right thing but some seem to decide that they would rather just make the whole house their bathroom.

Ours was 12 years old when we moved from our row home to a single. Over the years from before my wife met me until then, she had actually been steadily cutting out and removing small patches of carpet from the dining area as he peed on them since it got to be too bad to clean. So he was doing this well before he got old enough that it could be attributed to medical issues. But it did get worse with age and more medical problems. We tried to leave him with my mother in law for a weekend and he did #1 and #2 all over her house. She refused to ever watch him again. As he got older and developed stomach problems I was cleaning pee and diahhrea off the floor several times per week. On more than one occasion he would do it right in front of me while I was sitting there watching. I truely believe after awhile he just decided for himself that he would go anywhere he felt like it, litter box or no. We cleaned out the boxes daily but it didn't seem to matter. He had been outside a total of about 30 minutes his whole life so he didn't develop marking habits from roaming around. What started as a bad habit seemed to become normal routine despite her best efforts.

Our house got so nasty that we were embarassed by it and my wife couldn't bear to have people over anymore. But the little bastard had been in her life for 6 years before I ever even started dating her so she couldn't quite bring herself to re-home or put him down.

I would get visibly frustrated but have to hold it in because she would get so upset at the prospect of putting him down, thinking there was just one more thing she hadn't thought of to fix the problem. After many thousands spent diagnosing and medicating all his problems and switching foods to try to fix it, and countless hours cleaning cat waste off the floor and carpets, we knew he couldn't move into our new home with us. Not with 2 floors of well maintained 100 year old hardwood. My wife came to the realization herself that the cat was in alot of pain and probably had more health problems than we'd found. And it was all giving him a bad quality of life and making the house-training issue worse as time went on. So he was put down at age 12 and only the dog made the move. Then we had to have the whole house re-carpeted and cleaned professionally prior to sale because of all his handy-work. Bleach became our best friend.



I have made it very clear that I am disgusted with litterboxes and have no interest in having another un-trainable animal in my house so we are done with cats. My wife begrudgingly agreed. She still occasionally hints that she would like to at least forster kittens and I shut her down every time.

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Broke the subject with my wife this morning over breakfast. Went better than expected. She had an aunt with a farm and several 'barn cats'. So it sounds like we may be relocating this critter out to farmland, a couple states away.

The conversation with my daughter will probably be a lot harder.
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In my opinion you are doing the right thing. Sorry, I hate to sound negative or hateful towards cats but I don't believe they have the same desire to please humans as dogs do. Meaning there are certain behavioral problems you will just never be able to correct or eliminate because that eagerness to please is not there to motivate them. Some people find that endearing or charming but not me.
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Hey, I don't dislike cats. I am sure I will miss having her around.

I just have to put a stop to the rampant destruction THIS particular cat is doing to my house. Like I said before, we have always had a cat around the house. Just never had this much of an issue with a cat that constantly marked inside the house.
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FWIW, if it's financially possible, I would go ahead and replace the sub-flooring before you put the new hardwood down.

Realistically, no matter how well you treat the sub-floor, nothing is going to kill that smell permanently in a porous material like wood.

When the humidity gets high, you'll get a whiff of the old cat odors, seeping up through the new flooring once in a while. And any other animals that come in the house may smell it and decide to urinate in those spots.

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FWIW, if it's financially possible, I would go ahead and replace the sub-flooring before you put the new hardwood down.

Realistically, no matter how well you treat the sub-floor, nothing is going to kill that smell permanently in a porous material like wood.

When the humidity gets high, you'll get a whiff of the old cat odors, seeping up through the new flooring once in a while. And any other animals that come in the house may smell it and decide to urinate in those spots.

JMO.

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I was thinking about that.... I just don't think its possible (financially and logistically). I am going to get the best enzyme treatment I can find and make the most of it.

FWIW, I don't think our is the first cat that had abused this house. So, that may be part of the problem. Although our cat started this habit back in our old residence.
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My wife is still undergoing treatment for ovarian cancer, so I don't want to do anything that would upset her. (or the cat might just dissapear!)/
I hope your wife is doing better and makes a full recovery. I'll keep her in my prayers.

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