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Old 05-12-2012, 10:18 PM   #16
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893,377 diy posts currently

( all of the following is VERY subjective as numbers go, but not impossible)

Deduct BS posts, then say average out possible earnings for a service contractors at say $100.00 per customer(a diy poster asking for help)
Some customers would only pay the $100.00 service charge and a easy fix, some customers may end up spending $100-$5000.00 with the service contractor. ...

So, just for giggles, lets say every DIY'er asking for help on the internet uses a local service contractor, Elec/pumbing/hvac/ on and on with the trade/crafts labels...

The customer(now with no diy internet help) pays the service contractor just $100.00 for showing up and fixing the small problem. (this is not even considering the possible $100 + to $5,000 jobs)

Thirty years ago I made my living doing electrical service calls, a LOT of big jobs not diy rated, but a whole lot of simplistic jobs like changing a broken single pole toggle switch in someones bedroom that had the overhead light flickering....

I got paid my service call and 10 % mark up on the switch and the customer was happy as they had their electrical problem repaired by a qualified electrician. No sleepless nights for the diy HO wondering if they had the wires wrong and was the house going to catch on fire...

So, 893,377 diy'er posts x $100.00 = $89,337,700.00 taken away from those making a living in the service contracting business = erosion of a capitalistic economy for self employed service contractors. jmo

I hear a lock opening and a ban coming..........
I've never had a sleepless night wondering if any of my wires were crossed.

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Old 05-14-2012, 05:22 PM   #17
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That's why I stopped changing my own oil. The last time I thought about, it was going to cost as much or more to buy the oil and filter at full retail that to have it done so what's the point?
The point is that if you change the oil yourself, you know what you are putting in; take it to a garage and they can put any rubbish in.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:58 PM   #18
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^ The ban will never happen. In fact, it would be legally impossible.
I think he meant himself being banned and a lock on this thread!
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Actually a forum owner can close any thread and ban anyone. But they won't.
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The point is that if you change the oil yourself, you know what you are putting in; take it to a garage and they can put any rubbish in.
They put Valvoline in. Plus, it's difficult to dispose the used oil around here. Very few places take it and only if their tank isn't full.
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Around here, all the shops and retail outlets take old oil. Just drop it off.
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Definition of derailing a thread = change the topic of a thread so abruptly, that the wheels fall off !
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I can put oil on the curb on recycling day and it gets picked up with my cans and paper.

BTW, this thread is a well thought out attempt at a troll. It happens to every forum
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I can put oil on the curb on recycling day and it gets picked up with my cans and paper.

BTW, this thread is a well thought out attempt at a troll. It happens to every forum
And whom are you calling a troll ?
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And whom are you calling a troll ?
Nothing personal. If a person goes a forum that specializes in a subject and starts a topic about how that subject is bad for an obscure and far reaching reason it sorta seems like they are fishing for posts.

If someone goes to a hot wheels forum and starts a post that says "Hot wheels: cause traffic accidents" is that a troll?

Either way, nothing wrong with some thought provoking discussion. But, I will continue to install my own faucets without worry about undermining western civilization.
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893,377 diy posts currently

( all of the following is VERY subjective as numbers go, but not impossible)

Deduct BS posts, then say average out possible earnings for a service contractors at say $100.00 per customer(a diy poster asking for help)
Some customers would only pay the $100.00 service charge and a easy fix, some customers may end up spending $100-$5000.00 with the service contractor. ...

So, just for giggles, lets say every DIY'er asking for help on the internet uses a local service contractor, Elec/pumbing/hvac/ on and on with the trade/crafts labels...

The customer(now with no diy internet help) pays the service contractor just $100.00 for showing up and fixing the small problem. (this is not even considering the possible $100 + to $5,000 jobs)

Thirty years ago I made my living doing electrical service calls, a LOT of big jobs not diy rated, but a whole lot of simplistic jobs like changing a broken single pole toggle switch in someones bedroom that had the overhead light flickering....

I got paid my service call and 10 % mark up on the switch and the customer was happy as they had their electrical problem repaired by a qualified electrician. No sleepless nights for the diy HO wondering if they had the wires wrong and was the house going to catch on fire...

So, 893,377 diy'er posts x $100.00 = $89,337,700.00 taken away from those making a living in the service contracting business = erosion of a capitalistic economy for self employed service contractors. jmo

I hear a lock opening and a ban coming..........

All I can say is this:

I've given alot of info out here through the last few years that I've certainly worked hard to attain. Lot's of blood sweat, and tears in doing so, but it's all been voluntary. I could reject the idea of DIY, and tell everyone that they necessarilly HAVE TO hire a pro for every project, but it would undoubtedly fall on deaf ears, and be untruthful. I'm confident enough in my abilities & talents that I see no threat from people deciding that they want to DIY. I sympathize with those who aren't talented enough, or who simply feel threatened by the possibillity of DIY work. If you fall into that catergory, you may need to find a new source of income...........
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fact is, MOST people cannot DIY. even if they think they can.
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All I can say is this:

I've given alot of info out here through the last few years that I've certainly worked hard to attain. Lot's of blood sweat, and tears in doing so, but it's all been voluntary. I could reject the idea of DIY, and tell everyone that they necessarilly HAVE TO hire a pro for every project, but it would undoubtedly fall on deaf ears, and be untruthful. I'm confident enough in my abilities & talents that I see no threat from people deciding that they want to DIY. I sympathize with those who aren't talented enough, or who simply feel threatened by the possibillity of DIY work. If you fall into that catergory, you may need to find a new source of income...........
Good post Jomama and I agree with your stance on my thread here. I have read many of your posts and have great respect for your knowledge
of your trade(s).. Now my side...

At 60 years old now, I am no longer in the service contracting business so my OP was not written by me for my own self preservation. I am in no way threatened by someone learning to do their own projects. I started in construction at 18 and have worked enough in various trades enough for two men, so I am qualified to discuss the aspects of DIY forums and why they exist..

I like having mentally stimulating discussions to get people to think and share their knowledge, even if some people think my topics are trollish. Our society is becoming one where people are quite content with just texting on IPOD's and emailing and never having a intelligent conversation with anyone while exchanging ideas and opinions ...

I believe to be a productive human being, we older generations and younger also, have a obligation to share the wealth of knowledge from our life experiences to others that are trying to learn. These DIY forums are a great tool for acheiving that goal. ...

With my above statements though, they still do not discredit my OP. The existence of DIY forums are great, I love posting on them and helping if I can and I learn a LOT from them too. ....

But they are taking a small bite out of the possible employment of service contractors if one looks at the situation realistically. In 1973 in my city you could not park at a traffic light and not see at least one van or PU that didnt have a _____ service contractor name on it...

I would go to the industrial supply house back then at 7:00 am and the parking lot at the loading docks would be full. They had the old and now gone, "take a number" poles at the counters...

I go to the supply houses now at 7:00 am and the only vehicles in the lots are the few employees vehicles. As the day passes by, service contractors will drop in maybe two at a time but for the most part these supply are sloooow. .

I know DIY forums didnt bring about the lack of service contractors at the industrial supply houses. The 2008 crash and the fact that our nation has peaked in the construction industry and has actually overbuilt, has caused this decline in the needed service contractors....

Our nation has been in decline now for the passed 20 years and if one looks around and actually comprehends what they are seeing, it is declining faster now. In my city we have complete malls that are growing up in weeds. Tall office buildings sitting abandoned. ...

So, I stand by my OP. DIYing is having a small effect on the opportunies for those in the service contractor industry. Will DIY put them out of business ? No. As said above, the SC's will get the jobs of re-doing a lot of the diy projects. And, some DIY'ers are better than so called contractors... It will even out in the long haul..

I am surprised the mods havent locked this seemingly DIY bashing thread although, bashing was not the intent of my topic. It would probaly be a good thing if they did kick me out of here, I have a lot of things I need to be working on at my own house, instead of sitting here wearing out a keyboard and getter wider in the butt.

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They need some discussion on here. Forums of all types have slowed since last year. I run one and am a mod on several others. I am on a variety of forums and participation on every type, except a gun forum, seems to have dwindled. They usually slow in the winter and pick back up in the spring but so far that spring boost hasn't happened. Maybe people are just getting bored or they just don't have the money to start projects. I know that all types of construction/home repair work is slower here than last year. A friend at the local home center says they are down 40% from last year.
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my thinking is that most people that diy cant afford a pro so the work wouldnt neccesarily be there anyways. like my 1000 dollar vehicles any repair costs more than the vehicle worth anyways so i cant really screw anything up doing it myself , when i diy house projects they are far from perfect but alot better than what they were to start with . also not sure if the housing market will turn around so being scared about investing to much into a house that might still go down in value.

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