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Old 07-06-2011, 12:24 PM   #31
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I think the jury got it right. I think she killed her daughter, but there was no evidence against her. No forensic evidence at all. Even the supposed evidence of a body in her car was rebuked by the FBI. They could find no cause of death. If you can't prove someone was murdered, how can you find someone guilty of murder? The police did a very poor investigation and the prosecutor also did a poor job.
I honestly can't decide if she maliciously killed her daughter or negligently allowed her daughter to die.

If she spends some time in prison, on the lesser charges, the other women there will mete out their own 'justice' against a kiddie-killer. Even if she is an acquitted kid killer.

From my legal viewpoint, the prosecution both mishandled the case and overcharged her.

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I honestly can't decide if she maliciously killed her daughter or negligently allowed her daughter to die.

If she spends some time in prison, on the lesser charges, the other women there will mete out their own 'justice' against a kiddie-killer. Even if she is an acquitted kid killer.

From my legal viewpoint, the prosecution both mishandled the case and overcharged her.
Either way, she seemed to not be bothered by the fate of her daughter. I find that shocking and telling.
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It seems now that the whole damn family is receiving Death Threats.
Now that's too bad.
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Either way, she seemed to not be bothered by the fate of her daughter. I find that shocking and telling.
It is SUPER sad. Every day my husband works with kids who's parents can't be bothered to care about their kid's well-being in even the simplest way.

It really makes me hope there is a hell, or karma, or an avenging angel of punishment.
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When we are positive we know everything and have the right to sit in the judgement seat.....

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The Old Man and the White Horse

Once there was an old man who lived in a tiny village. Although poor, he was envied by all, for he owned a beautiful white horse. Even the king coveted his treasure. A horse like this had never been seen before – such was its splendor, its majesty, its strength.

People offered fabulous prices for the steed, but the old man always refused. “This horse is not a horse to me,” he would tell them. “It is a person. How could you sell a person? He is a friend, not a possession. How could you sell a friend.” The man was poor and the temptation was great. But he never sold the horse.

One morning he found that the horse was not in his stable. All the village came to see him. “You old fool,” they scoffed, “we told you that someone would steal your horse. We warned you that you would be robbed. You are so poor. How could you ever protect such a valuable animal? It would have been better to have sold him. You could have gotten whatever price you wanted. No amount would have been too high. Now the horse is gone and you’ve been cursed with misfortune.”

The old man responded, “Don’t speak too quickly. Say only that the horse is not in the stable. That is all we know; the rest is judgment. If I’ve been cursed or not, how can you know? How can you judge?”

The people contested, “Don’t make us out to be fools! We may not be philosophers, but great philosophy is not needed. The simple fact that your horse is gone is a curse.”

The old man spoke again. “All I know is that the stable is empty, and the horse is gone. The rest I don’t know. Whether it be a curse or a blessing, I can’t say. All we can see is a fragment. Who can say what will come next?”

The people of the village laughed. They thought that the man was crazy. They had always thought he was a fool; if he wasn’t, he would have sold the horse and lived off the money. But instead, he was a poor woodcutter, an old man still cutting firewood and dragging it out of the forest and selling it. He lived hand to mouth in the misery of poverty. Now he had proven that he was, indeed, a fool.

After fifteen days, the horse returned. He hadn’t been stolen; he had run away into the forest. Not only had he returned, he had brought a dozen wild horses with him. Once again, the village people gathered around the woodcutter and spoke. “Old man, you were right and we were wrong. What we thought was a curse was a blessing. Please forgive us.”

The man responded, “Once again, you go too far. Say only that the horse is back. State only that a dozen horses returned with him, but don’t judge. How do you know if this is a blessing or not? You see only a fragment. Unless you know the whole story, how can you judge? You read only one page of a book. Can you judge the whole book? You read only one word of one phrase. Can you understand the entire phrase?”

“Life is so vast, yet you judge all of life with one page or one word. All you have is one fragment! Don’t say that this is a blessing. No one knows. I am content with what I know. I am not perturbed by what I don’t.”

“Maybe the old man is right,” they said to one another. So they said little. But down deep, they knew he was wrong. They knew it was a blessing. Twelve wild horses had returned. With a little work, the animals could be broken and trained and sold for much money.

The old man had a son, an only son. The young man began to break the wild horses. After a few days, he fell from one of the horses and broke both legs. Once again the villagers gathered around the old man and cast their judgments.

“You were right,” they said. “You proved you were right. The dozen horses were not a blessing. They were a curse. Your only son has broken both his legs, and now in your old age you have no one to help you. Now you are poorer than ever.”

The old man spoke again. “You people are obsessed with judging. Don’t go so far. Say only that my son broke his legs. Who knows if it is a blessing or a curse? No one knows. We only have a fragment. Life comes in fragments.”

It so happened that a few weeks later the country engaged in war against a neighboring country. All the young men of the village were required to join the army. Only the son of the old man was excluded, because he was injured. Once again the people gathered around the old man, crying and screaming because their sons had been taken. There was little chance that they would return. The enemy was strong, and the war would be a losing struggle. They would never see their sons again.

“You were right, old man,” They wept. “God knows you were right. This proves it. Your son’s accident was a blessing. His legs may be broken, but at least he is with you. Our sons are gone forever.”

The old man spoke again. “It is impossible to talk with you. You always draw conclusions. No one knows. Say only this. Your sons had to go to war, and mine did not. No one knows if it is a blessing or a curse. No one is wise enough to know. Only God knows.”
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That's a nice story Willie.

Does anyone know about the father of Caley? I haven't heard anything about him.
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That's a nice story Willie.

Does anyone know about the father of Caley? I haven't heard anything about him.
Probably her dad or brother.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:26 AM   #38
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If she makes any money more than she's going to owe for the search, court costs, fines, etc. he should sue her for wrongful death and get the rest. I don't think she should be able to profit from this.

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Old 07-19-2011, 09:25 PM   #39
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Remember the prosecution saying that someone searched 84 times on- line for chloroform? It was a lie. The computer expert who checked the Anthony's computer for the prosecutor, says there was one search. And it was the day after Casey's boyfriend mentioned it on his Myspace page. Why don't they go after the prosecutor for perjury?
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:41 AM   #40
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We have a great legal system that we fail to support.

When called for jury duty to serve as a panel for our peers we do everything we can to weasel out of it. I often cringe thinking what it would be like to be arrested and arraigned for trial and dependent on a jury of peers to determine my fate. Chilling thought.

Those that do get nailed for years worth of jury duty in a trial like this are pissed beyond belief they are stuck and the odds of them paying close attention? Or those on the jury are just dumb with nothing else to do and making more money than they have in awhile when the stipend and daily meals---maybe even a nice hotel room are factored in.

And yet, we who squirm from the clutches of jury duty stay glued to the television and become a jury in our own imagination complete with hanging noose, tar and feathers if we do not like the outcome. And even though we see only those portions of the trial we have time for or care to watch, and without judge's instructions and clarifications for example, we somehow feel better equipped to render a verdict than the jury in the courtroom who has been there firsthand.

Did Casey kill her kid? Should she and OJ hookup and club together? Irrelevant our opinions at this point. The jury did not convict her. A jury did not convict OJ. We should honor their verdict---or like it or not or the system falls apart completely for all of us. The alternative, trial by those only informed by television or tabloid with commercial interruptions is very scary to me.

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It is a scary system. A former prosecutor, here in Missouri, padded his conviction rate, by not turning over evidence to the defense that proved the defendants were not guilty. He ran for a high office and lost. Now, three of the convictions have been overturned and they are going back thru all that he prosecuted. And they say that there is nothing that can be done to him. Maybe if these prosecutors were punished, they would quit doing this stuff.
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Participate in the system and stop judging it from a spectator seat. I mean, OMFG, what happens if the cable goes out in the beauty salon or bar and you miss some testimony!? I guess you get filled in enough by those around you to make a life or death decision.

Get called for jury duty? Show up and do it for the sake of your peer being tried. I would do it for you! To a point. Years long trials are stupid and expensive and abusive to juries.

Or invest in pitch forks to burn witches, lumber for public hangings, and let's just do it the way it was done when communities were smaller. Could be great entertainment from what I have read. In my lifetime, I feel deprived not to have seen a witch burned or a person hung on a nice Friday night.

If ever arrested and arraigned, I hope Faux News and its experts try me.

Of course, the way things are going with the parent company? Those that would tar and feather had better watch the wind direction.

All of us in this country are allowed a free trial. We can argue about bad and good prosecutors and defenders but the day way become so complacent we do not say something or participate? We deserve absolutely everything we get---personally and as a society.

Vote your Missouri idiot out just to start. That means registering, voting and of course then showing up on rosters for possible jury duty. Jury duty rosters are first built from driver's license so shed that if you really think you want to talk without doing th walk.

Or you can *****, *****, *****. Never vote. Never serve. Only well under half the eligible voters in this country bother to vote for the US President.

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I honestly can't decide if she maliciously killed her daughter or negligently allowed her daughter to die.
You have no decision to make or real opinion to offer. You were not selected as part of the jury. You saw bits and pieces on TV. Your opinion as far as guilt or innocence is absolutely irrelevant at this point.
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The prosecutor in Missouri, lost the election. I just think that they should be liable for lying in court. One of the ones he lied about spent 8 years in prison. And I have served on a jury. It was a civil trial. I have also testified as an expert witness and did it for free.
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It'll probably come to light that what she's truly guilty of is stupidity.
The evidence to me says she had a screaming child so she duct taped her mouth shut.
The child's nose plugged up and she suffocated. Purely my thoughts on how it actually happened.

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