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Old 01-19-2011, 06:32 PM   #16
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I guess you know that a lot of 12x12's were asbestos too.

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Old 01-19-2011, 10:59 PM   #17
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This was all very true to some degree. The court rulings did not argue the safety or health effects of asbestos, but merely that the EPA was not empowered to ban it under the laws then in place and had not proceeded in the proper manner to do so. The EPA did manage to limit friable asbestos through the clean air act. Today, 20-30 odd years later, the asbestos laws with the biggest teeth are NESHAP laws to protect kids in schools, EPA disposal laws and OSHA laws. The U.S. still imports over 7,000 metric tons of asbestos every year. In 2001, there were still over 3,000 products freely available in the U.S. market that contained asbestos, although the Consumer Product Safety Commision did manage to ban products that contained friable material.

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And how much asbestos is imported in Chinese products without disclosure? Probably a lot. Melamine in baby food...roofies in Aqua Dots...it goes on and on.
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I guess you know that a lot of 12x12's were asbestos too.
Yep. Found the big "A" in 12x12s, sheet flooring, adhesives, caulking, drywall, roofing. Of course it is in all sorts of insulation, including high temp wire insulation on boilers and stoves. The stuff is everywhere. I have no doubt that China ships it in whenever they can. Look at some of the crap they've saddled us with.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:20 PM   #19
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It's amazing that anyone got out of the 50's alive isn't it? 20 cigarettes a day .... martini's for lunch ... asbestos.... lead paint.

It'll would be hilarious to see a transcript of what our grandchildren will be talking about 50 years from now. It'll probably go something like "It's a wonder anyone got out of the 2000 and 2010's alive with all those d@mn food and drink preservatives"
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:08 PM   #20
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The biggest problem with the asbestos scare is that it was overblown like the lead scare. Many places that asbestos was used was no danger at all if removed using common sense or left in place. Same as lead in paint.
Even as a layperson I have to agree with this. When I bought my house in 09, the home inspector looked under a batt of fiberglass in my attic and found vermaculite. Naturally he included it in his report, but he also took me aside and talked at length about how incredibly dangerous it is and that I shouldn't move in without having it removed.

Imagine. Untested vermaculite - sitting undisturbed under a layer of yellow R19 - made this guy crap a brick! I mean, yeah, it's dangerous to disturb it, but I'm not planning to climb between the ceiling joists and take a bath in the stuff.

Over time - again, as a layperson - I've begun to perceive asbestos as a remarkably effective material that's also incredibly dangerous for non-professionals to expose themselves to and/or play around with. It's not unlike mercury in your thermometer, capacitors in your CRT television, and the whole slew of other common household items that can pretty easily kill you.

In short, the general idea for any of those items is to leave it alone. If it becomes a problem, well, it's too dangerous to handle it yourself and you need to call a professional. Where's the fear coming from?

Anyways. I bought the house, and this year I've been enjoying a toasty New England deep freeze.

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Old 01-22-2011, 10:14 AM   #21
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I've been certified for many years in asbestos abatement and mold remediation. I've found that it's people who have just a little bit of knowledge about both of these are the ones that hype up the dangers. Most of the news media folks fall into that catagory too.
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I've been certified for many years in asbestos abatement and mold remediation. I've found that it's people who have just a little bit of knowledge about both of these are the ones that hype up the dangers. Most of the news media folks fall into that catagory too.
That statement is valid in thousands of other situations too.

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