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Old 11-29-2010, 01:46 PM   #1
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Will a 12" CSMS be accurate enough for int/ext trim


Thank you for this site.

I am a bit new to alot of home DIY projects. My father is an architect, I worked in engineering for decades, so I'll blame that for many of my shortcomings. I work on my classic cars/hotrods so I am familiar with the get what you pay for in tools.

I'm comparing the Bosch 5312, Dewalt DW718, Rigid MS1290 and maybe the Hitachi C12RSH ($150 cheaper)

Will one of the above provide accurate enough cuts for the typical DIY int/ext trim (likely MDF)?

Not going to move the saw around much, maybe from the garage to the patio.

I am forging ahead on a 16x12 dining room addition to our home, hiring out much of the framing. When picking out the sill treatments for the new dining room windows my wonderful wife declared that she wants all new trim throughout the house. I added it up to just under 1000 lineal ft including the kick boards (thankful we don't have a big house)

I have a set of custom stairs (basement to first floor) to tackle to complete the addition.

Additionally I would like to start replacing a few sections of our weathered cheap siding, 11 1/4" lap. Its held up well since the house was built in '61 and I can't afford the $8k - 11k quoted for complete house replacement.

And.... sometime in 2011/2012 will be a craftsman style 14'w x 5'd porch addition - money permitting.

I've looked at a bunch of saws, I own a Milwaukee hand me down circular saw and a Makita sawzall and have used the heck out of both for close to 15 - 20 years but the new Makita 12" was $700 and the Milwaukee was even more.

Thank you for your time and opinions.

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I can only speak for the DeWalt but Iíve used and abused my DW708 (predecessor to the 718) almost daily for years with no problems. I have never had to adjust anything.

If I ever burn this one up I wouldnít hesitate buy the 718. Iím not sure if Iíd even consider anything else. I have four different yellow saws that have always preformed well for me.

Yellow drills on the other hand, now thatís a different story.

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Kint, Welcome to the Forum

Any of the mentioned SCMS will 'provide accurate enough cuts' for your application.
I have a DeWalt 12" slider along with a 12" Delta and 10: Hitachi MS but if I had to do it over i would not be afraid to buy a HF SCMS.

For the HF SCMS I would first get a better blade but that would also be true for any of the Name brands. It only bevels in one direction but you can still bevel in the other direction by reversing the work piece. The only time I've ever had to do a bevel cut on the Dewalt SCMS is on Crown and that for me is rarely.
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I'd recommend against the Bosch 5312 from Lowe's. This is a decontented big box version of the 5412-- the *real* Bosch 12 SCMS. Note the cheaper price of the former vs the latter.

If you can swing it, the new Glide from Bosch is probably the best in the industry-- the design is better in every way that I can tell.

Short of that, the Milwaukee 12" SCMS is a good one, as is the DW718.

I've had good results with many Hitachi tools, but I dislike the vertical grip on their 12" SCMS. I prefer horizontal or (on Bosch) selectable. My Hitachi CMS is a cheap 10" non-slider that does everything I need it to do (replaced my older, nicer DW706).

If you don't absolutely NEED the slider, skip it. Yes it's convenient for lots of things. But a non slider is more accurate, more durable, and is way more portable. If you can get by without the slide, the 12" Bosch and Milwaukee non sliders are first rate, as is whatever replaced my beloved DW706.

Make sure whatever you get has a solid zero-bevel stop at vertical. I was stunned at the Makita LS1016 didn't seem to have this-- I was guessing where vertical way with the thing (or simply wasn't smart enough to figure it out). Big flaw if true. I think the DeWalt's have positive stops at common bevels, including zero. This is *very* important for repeatability.

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I have a $200 kolbalt that I use to cut 23-1/4" wide cuts in plywood for cabinets by flipping the boards. Sears has a couple of good ones for under $300. If you take the time to set them up properly, and use a good blade, they will give good results. Even with blades you don't have to spend a lot. The Dewalt Precision Trim is a very good blade with almost no splintering in cross grain plywood cuts. If you can afford the best then go for it. If not, don't fret. You can still do excellent work.
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