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Dave88LX 11-12-2013 10:18 PM

Talk me into or out of these miter saws (and stands)
 
Part I: Saws

As I referenced in this thread: http://www.diychatroom.com/f14/miter...olding-189214/, I'm due for a new miter saw. This one just isn't up to task anymore. It was great for my intended initial use - cutting my wood floor planks to length. Now that I've gotten into molding, I need something else. I'm on a borrowed DeWALT DW705 with the DW723 stand, and it obviously has a better capacity than what I currently own.

Every year, Christmas comes around and I tell my wife and mother "I don't need anything, don't worry about it." They never listen, and this translates into them buying stuff I don't need and me trying to find a place to put it. I figure this year I will go for something useful. Even if they don't buy it, I will.

Intended uses planned so-far: crown molding, base trim & other types of finish molding; deck build, constructing a large built-in bookcase for my wife, and finishing the basement in our new house from bare concrete, and whatever else may come up in between those planned projects. I'm a homeowner/DIY'er, so traveling to/from a jobsite every day is not a concern.

Question: Do you even bother cutting your 2x lumber on a miter sawd (as in for a deck build), or just use a circular saw w/ a speed square?

I've done a lot of reading on this forum. I basically have it down between Bosch and Hitachi.

The Bosch Axial Glide GSM12SD has really caught my attention, as has the Hitachi C12RSH.

On the flipside of that is the 10" vs 12" debate. Some will say the 12" blade deflects more than a 10" so it's not as good for trimwork. However, the 10" saws don't really support very much base trim standing straight up against the fence.

Any thoughts or guidance based on my intentions? I just don't want to run into limitations and kick myself. I'm not concerned with the cost difference between a 10" and 12" blade or that one has a wider selection than the other. I will probably own a finish blade and a cross-cut blade.

Dave88LX 11-12-2013 10:35 PM

Part II: Saw Stands

The stand on my Delta is a flexible deflecting piece of..... I'm using a DeWALT DW723 (Not the newer DWX723) and it's a lot better than what I own. I don't know how much the DWX723 improves over that one.

I might be better served by a mobile stand like the DeWALT DWX726, or for a bit more money, the Bosch Gravity-Rise T4B.

Does anyone have experience with either one (or preferably both)? I'd like a stand where I can set the height of the extensions and not worry about them bending with more weight or being too high with less weight. I'm thinking the wheels would be nice for mobility, and both would fold up and pack away fairly neatly.

joecaption 11-13-2013 04:16 AM

Both are fine saws, boils down to price.
I own the Hitachi and have not had any trouble in about 5 years.
The stand I own and like is this one.
https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/ac9944-...tility-vehicle
One thing I like about it is the supports that flip down on the outriggers. The locks to keep the extensions from moving are cheap pot metal, rough use and they snap off. I just replaced them with eye bolts and it work perfect.
It's faster and easier to use saw horses when building most of a deck in my option.
I would use the miter saw for things like the railings, risers and treads, cutting the 45's.
One place I check for pricing and reviews is Amazon.com, but then I also check CPO tools to see if they have any factory remanufactured. Anything I have ordered from them looks and works like brand new it's just less expensive.

oh'mike 11-13-2013 05:49 AM

A couple of questions--------what is the tallest molding that can be cut standing up against the fence ?

Do either one have crown stops available?

joecaption 11-13-2013 05:56 AM

When cutting crown I just use one of these.
Makes it a whole lot easier for someone that rarely does it.
http://www.rockler.com/bench-dog-crown-cut

oh'mike 11-13-2013 06:09 AM

That jig would slow me down-----you need to move it from side to side as you work.

also,what supports the crown on the other side of the saw? the crown would be away from the fence and above the table---

I think crown stops attached to the saw would be simpler to work with.

oh'mike 11-13-2013 06:14 AM

dewalt 705 crown stops - Google Search

Dave88LX 11-13-2013 09:58 AM

Bosch
Bevel Stops :0, 33.9, 45 Left/Right
Miter Detents: 0, 15, 22.5, 31.6, 45 (Left/Right)
Miter Positive Stops: 0, 15, 22.5, 31.6, 45 (Left/Right), 60 (Right)

Hitachi
I imagine they have them too, but they don't list them in their specs?

Fairview 11-13-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave88LX (Post 1265932)
Part II: Saw Stands

The stand on my Delta is a flexible deflecting piece of..... I'm using a DeWALT DW723 (Not the newer DWX723) and it's a lot better than what I own. I don't know how much the DWX723 improves over that one.

I might be better served by a mobile stand like the DeWALT DWX726, or for a bit more money, the Bosch Gravity-Rise T4B.

Does anyone have experience with either one (or preferably both)? I'd like a stand where I can set the height of the extensions and not worry about them bending with more weight or being too high with less weight. I'm thinking the wheels would be nice for mobility, and both would fold up and pack away fairly neatly.

I wouldn't try talking anyone into or out of anything but I will say after building and using a 8 ft. long MS table made from a half sheet of cabinet grade plywood that's portable and easily stored I don't even give those wheeled tubing stands a second glance.

kwikfishron 11-13-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairview (Post 1266110)
I wouldn't try talking anyone into or out of anything but I will say after building and using a 8 ft. long MS table made from a half sheet of cabinet grade plywood that's portable and easily stored I don't even give those wheeled tubing stands a second glance.

I agree, I won't use those stands either. I need somewhere set stuff on too.

If I have the room to set up I have my saw attached to a 20' plank with 8' of table flush to the saw on both sides.

Sometimes I'll even have another long plank off the end of all that, a 40'+ long production line. :)

Dave88LX 11-13-2013 02:12 PM

Holy cow. You guys have a pic of that setup?

BigJim 11-13-2013 03:16 PM

One thing to check when buying a miter saw is the side to side play in the saw. Pull the saw all the way down as far as it will go, pull it out, still all the way down, now apply side to side moderate pressure, check to see how much, if any, sideways play it has. You really don't want any play.

ToolSeeker 11-13-2013 05:58 PM

I have the same stand as Joe and love it. Easy to fold and unfold, bigger wheels make it easier to move over uneven ground. Never have to take the saw off the stand. My neighbor has the DeWalt every time you need to move it you have to remove the saw, no wheels so must make 2 trips, and a PITA to remove and replace the saw.
I guess the factor for me would be if you ever need to move it and how often.

oh'mike 11-13-2013 06:10 PM

I'm in the 'home made ' camp----I want full support under the trim---and a fence to keep crown molding from rolling over---so plywood for me----

Bird Doo Head 11-13-2013 06:16 PM

Money Saving Idea
 
I'm by no means a miter saw expert, but here's a potential money saving idea.
I bought a Bosch 12" miter saw a few years ago. One of my brothers bought a Ryobi 12" miter saw about the same time. The tools looked identical.

I was curious, so I checked at the Bosch service center. (While I was there buying a part for my Chinese made Bosch table saw.) The technician said the two miter saws are, indeed, the same tool, using the same parts. Both were built by TTI in China.

My Bosch tool cost about $350.00. My brother's Ryobi cost $129.00. Both are labeled as Made In China. Neither is German nor North American made.

So, if there is a Ryobi equivalent, it may be the same saw for less.
Hope this is helpful.
Paul
PS: The saw is great. Holds true consistently. No problems at all.


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