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Noel8 09-06-2012 06:56 PM

Screws cannot be removed
 
I was in the process of trying to remove my storm door so I could do a repaint job on it. With my cordless drill I removed 20 of 22 screws which are philpheaded ones. The other two, are giving me a hard time that now instead of having a philip head screw, the drill sort of made a round shape. I cannot remove the door without getting those screws out. They were not stuck but for some reason they did not react to my drill as easily as the other 20 did. Any ideas of how to remove them? I cannot saw off the heads cause they naturally had to be the ones that are in a recessed area of the entrance way.

user1007 09-06-2012 06:58 PM

You are probably going to need to pick up a screw extractor set. Craftsman still makes a nice one with different sized bits that is not too expensive (pic below). The extractors should work if the heads are just stripped. If you still have a real hardware store near you they will probably have just the size extractor you need if you do not want to buy the whole set. A box store will likely have a cheap Chinese set of 80,000 sizes all of which will be chewed apart faster than the screw heads the first time you try to use them.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/CRAFTSMAN-10-...yL!~~60_35.JPG

If the screws are spinning around and freewheeling on you, you have a different challenge. Let us know. We can help you but the approach is different.

creeper 09-06-2012 07:02 PM

try an elastic (Americans call them rubber bands) on a screwdriver. A thin one, yet wide enough to cover the hole.
I've had luck with that simple trick

joecaption 09-06-2012 07:05 PM

Just use a drill bit the size of the screws shank.
Once the heads gone the door will come right off.
They use the cheapest, soft screws on those things.
Just drill a new hole for a new screw when it's time to reinstall.
This time predrill a clearace hole in the frame and a pilot for the screw.

user1007 09-06-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creeper (Post 1004587)
try an elastic (Americans call them rubber bands) on the screwdriver. A thin one, yet wide enough to cover the hole.
I've had luck with that simple trick

Lost you Jan?:eek: 'Splain please. Where on the screwdriver and what hole?

beenthere 09-06-2012 07:07 PM

Moved to tools forum.

joecaption 09-06-2012 07:09 PM

The best screw extractors I've ever used are like these.
http://www.sears.com/maxcraft-3-pc-s...&blockType=G14

The other type suggested work great for bolts but not so much for screws.

user1007 09-06-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1004594)
The best screw extractors I've ever used are like these.
http://www.sears.com/maxcraft-3-pc-s...&blockType=G14

The other type suggested work great for bolts but not so much for screws.

Forgot about those Joe. They do work well!

kwikfishron 09-06-2012 07:13 PM

If you have 20 out of 22 screws out just get a thin flat bar behind the frame close to the screw and pop it free. Those screws are only an inch long and will likely pull out of there effortlessly and damage free.

creeper 09-06-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 1004592)
Lost you Jan?:eek: 'Splain please. Where on the screwdriver and what hole?

The hole being the head of the screw. In this case it is now round, So the elastic is laid across the head of the screw. A hand held screwdriver, as opposed to a drill, will ' bite ' the elastic and fill the void of the round shape.

joecaption 09-06-2012 07:32 PM

I've removed hundreds of of those soft screws from storm windows, storm doors, silicone bronze screws from boats with the extractors I suggested.
Trying to drill a pilot hole right in the center of that small a screw is a real challange and most often the small drill bit snaps off when trying to use a bolt extractor.
Using the ones I suggested are left hand twist and dig in as soon as the drill starts and once they catch the screw just pops out.

DexterII 09-06-2012 08:10 PM

It might be too late to try this, but if the cavity in the head of the screw is enough shallower than the corresponding tip of the philips bit is long, the bit will bottom out before the blades of the bit fit properly into the screw head. If that is the case, and there enough of the head is still intact, you can grind the tip of the bit down a bit, in order to obtain full contact. I have several sizes of philips screwdrivers that I bought extras of, and ground the tips down a bit, years ago, for just this reason.

user1007 09-06-2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creeper (Post 1004602)
The hole being the head of the screw. In this case it is now round, So the elastic is laid across the head of the screw. A hand held screwdriver, as opposed to a drill, will ' bite ' the elastic and fill the void of the round shape.

Now I understand. Thanks.

Noel8 09-07-2012 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1004594)
The best screw extractors I've ever used are like these.
http://www.sears.com/maxcraft-3-pc-s...&blockType=G14

The other type suggested work great for bolts but not so much for screws.

Could you explain how these extractors work? Never heard of this. BTW, those screw heads are really soft, that is why the drill shaped it into a round hole when u meet a little resistance. I suppose worse comes to worse, i can get a chisel ( instead of a grinder as someone else here suggested ) and snap off the heads, and the shank would just remain in the wood and then make new holes for new screws. Thanks to all ...DIY is great.

joecaption 09-07-2012 09:45 AM

I use an impact driver not a cordless drill most of the time, but a drill will work.
Just put one of these bits in the chuck and run it in reverce.
There's a left hand twist on the tip that bites in as it's turning.

Two tools I'd never want to be without, impact driver and ossilating saw.
I've used my impact drive to get out old rusted screws, works great on tile board screws and deck screws, with the included adapters you can remove and install nuts and drive lag bolts.
I have three of the Ryobi brand drivers and never had a problum with any of them and there less then 1/2 the price for the gun and the batterys then other brands.


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