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Old 12-01-2012, 04:20 PM   #16
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495 inch pounds sounds like a lot on paper, but if you compare to impact drivers, it isn't. Besides that, impact drivers don't require any effort from your hand/wrist! If you have never used one, you just don't know what you are missing.

The DEWALT DCF885 1/4" impact driver is good for 117 foot pounds of torque. That is 1404 inch pounds from a tool that weighs about as much as a beer. Makita, Milwaukee, I'm sure there are others too.

These things are not expensive, either. They cost about the same as a cordless drill. Just be sure to buy "impact bits" to use with it, because they will tear up regular bits quickly.
I have a makita 14.4 impact diver rated at 1100 some inch lbs and a milwaukee 0883 v18 impact wrench( I have 1/4 hex adapter for it) that has 2200 inch lbs. Yeah the impacts really put out'!

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Right now till christmas there are some really good deals on drill/driver impact/driver combos this may be something to look at.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #18
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Hi Folks,

The information is great! Thanks.

I learned fast, that Torax screws are the way to go, I don't even like the Square ones.

I will probably read over these replies several times, and then ask Santa to
bring me one the the options.

Meanwhile, I went to a HF store near my house, I saw a nice looking drill for $12. So purchased the drill. I started using it ... nice speed control compared the the Skil I have. I needed to cut a 1 1/2 Inch hole, so I put on the blade bit, and started cranking away. In about 20 seconds, white smoke (I am not kidding) came out of the drill motor. I stopped right away. It really smelled bad. I let it cool down, and later in the day I started using it a with just screws.

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Take a look at the Dewalt DCK235C combo. It has a drill/driver and impact driver w/batteries (18v nicad) and charger. Currently $169 at Lowes or Amazon.
It will out perform the corded drills you have mentioned.
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Take a look at the Dewalt DCK235C combo. It has a drill/driver and impact driver w/batteries (18v nicad) and charger. Currently $169 at Lowes or Amazon.
It will out perform the corded drills you have mentioned.
That's quite a bit for a NiCad set.

You'd be better off ponying up for the Milwaukee 2697-22CT at $229

Better batteries, better warranty, and more powerful drill and impact driver.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:22 PM   #21
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I was able to buy the DCK280C2 combo, which is the DCD780 compact drill and DCF885 1/4" impact driver, plus two 1.5Ah batteries and a charger, for $199. This might have been a "Black Friday deal" but when I saw that price I sure didn't pass it up!

My DCD780 compact drill is not as strong as the "large" 18V one I've had for 12 years or so. It is, however, a lot smaller and has a very comfortable grip. I am not tossing out my big one until all my 18V batteries wear out, at which point I will need to buy the DCD980 "large" 20V drill.

The first task I did with the DCD780 was drill a 3/8" hole in my kitchen cabinet to run a cable for under-cabinet lighting. The cabinet is made of MDF, not hard wood. I used a brad-point bit and it really took some effort from me and the drill to get the hole done. I immediately thought, well, this drill is compact and easier to handle in a tight space; but it is only an addition to my tool kit, it is not a replacement for the larger one.

I had to re-drill to 5/8" to pass a second cable and I used a spade bit instead. It was not as clean but it did do the job.

I have used my 18V "large" drill to put holes in the steel bumper of my truck to install a trailer connector. It has no problem at all doing this. There is no way I would try that with the compact 20V model.

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Folks,

I saw a good deal on a Porter-Cable PCL212IDC-2 Tradesman 12V Max Cordless Lithium Compact Drill / Impact Driver Combo Kit at the CTO site.

How did I ever live without these tools, the impact driver made quick work of any screw I have. I have been using both tool every night this week, still has not run out battery, it only takes 30min to charge.

Yes, why did'nt I get the 18v set ? well $$ but more important weight, I like these nice light "green" tools.

I am a very happy camper.

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p.s do I have to worry about battery memory like the NIcad's ?
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Congrats. I love my impact drivers and also wonder how I did without them.

You can charge LiIon batteries whenever. It is not necessary to drain them or worry about the "memory effect". You really didn't with NiCads either unless you used them for exactly the same amount of time and recharged them at the same time. What killed NiCads and had a similar effect was crap chargers that would trickle charge them endlessly.

So go ahead and charge up whenever you want to! And enjoy the new tools.
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How did I ever live without these tools, the impact driver made quick work of any screw I have.
What kind of things are you doing with your 12V Impact Driver? I never thought of buying one "that small" but now I wonder if I would like to have one, too.
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I've built (with 1-1/2" to 3" deck screws and 2x4's):
Workbench
Ramp for the shed
Work surface for the shed
Put up pegboard

I think I get 50-60 screws on a charge and with 3 batteries life is never an issue. I've got an adapter that lets it use 1/4 and 3/8 sockets so for little fasteners it also works great.

I use them for lots of little things around the house - the wife even loves it. If it needs to be screwed the impact comes out.

The only thing I won't use it for is driving lags - the 18v drill comes out for that. It would do it but it's quicker to zip them in with a socket on a drill.
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Sounds like it would be really useful for places the 20V impact won't fit. I'll take a look at them next time I am in the tool section.
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Sounds like it would be really useful for places the 20V impact won't fit. I'll take a look at them next time I am in the tool section.
I'm hoping that when you use the term "20V", it's just to refer to that particular line of DeWalt tools, and not because you think they're actually 20 volts.
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the dewalt 20 volt line isnt actually 20 volts.. they upped the amperage slightly so they claim its 20v.. several trade mags tested them and they perform the same as most other brands 18v lines with the same runtimes
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I'm hoping that when you use the term "20V", it's just to refer to that particular line of DeWalt tools, and not because you think they're actually 20 volts.
A Ryobi rep told me they are actually 18V and explained the batteries may measure 20V when not loaded, hence the "Max." I understand that my truck battery is not exactly 12V, for example, the available voltage varies based on the load and charge state. I can hook up the VOM and watch the voltage from my trailer battery drop when I run the winch or jack.

I understand why DeWalt thinks this is a good way to market the tool. Some people may indeed assume it is "better than 18V" and there is less chance that people will mistakenly assume the 18V series tools have compatible batteries with the "20V" tools.

Even if I did not know this, I wouldn't feel tricked as long as I was satisfied with the tools.
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dewalt focuses way too much on marketing... their old line was.. " revolutionizing tools yet again with....." our new mitre saw... drill.... yet they were simply trying to match what makita, milwaukee or bosch have had out for 2 + years already

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