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Old 11-19-2012, 01:39 PM   #16
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Check with HFT on the use of Discount coupons.
It is not completely clear but it it has been my understanding
that a 20% coupon cannot be used on top of other discounts.
e.g. When ordering an item with an online coupon there is only
one place to enter a coupon for single itms
You may be right ... though I could have sworn I've seen comments from others about using a discount coupon in store on top of an advertised discount. I suppose I can give it a shot and find out for myself (and then report back)

As I mentioned, I live within 15-20 min of three HF stores ... and I work within 10 min of another.

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Old 11-20-2012, 08:32 PM   #17
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Just to follow-up and re-clarify some points ...

I am very much a beginner ... so my initial projects will be building a sturdy workbench along most the length of one side of my garage - likely to include a miter saw station toward one end (something along the lines of a customized version along the basic premise of this workbench project.

Honestly, I do not see myself cutting a whole lot of molding right off the bat (or in the foreseeable future) - though I will likely try my hand at some entry level small furniture builds (i.e. end table, bookshelf, wine rack) ... while also working on some other fun diy projects such as a DIY Arcade MAME Cabinet/Game System.


And while this may seem kind of goofy to some of you more serious and accomplished DIY'ers out there, I also have an eye toward trying to work on some fun "prop replica" projects - such as some of the (in my opinion) cool things that can be made with/using MDF --> SEE HERE FOR WHAT I MEAN



So, my initial thought process is to use this initial "beginner" time period to begin to accumulate some of the primary (entry-level) power tools I believe I will be using most - i.e. circular saw, jig saw, miter saw ... with an eyeball toward soonafter picking up various other/ancillary woodworking tools - i.e. table saw, band saw (maybe), drill press, sander(s), polishers, etc. ... and taking the time to LEARN to use/utilize these tools correctly and proficiently.

Assuming/Hoping that I keep at it and eventually become (dare I say) skilled at various woodworking tasks and methods, I figure then I can/will begin the process of working toward investing in higher quality power tools . . . . that is, assuming any of the Harbor Freight tools I may purchase are either underperforming or crap out on my altogether.



Am I loco in my thought process here - from a "bang for my buck + beginner learning process" plan of action standpoint ??
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:08 PM   #18
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I have heard some good reports on the HF miter saws. However, I have NO personal good experiences with HF tools. Routers, impact drivers, impact wrenches, grinders, drills. They work. But in comparison to anything else, they perform poorly. The problem with using cheap tools when you are learning is that you will have trouble knowing if your problems stem from inexperience or
inaccurate tools. So you become frustrated.

IMO, don't buy cheap tools.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:45 AM   #19
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Well, many of you will be happy to know that I have decided NOT to give in to the VERY STRONG "buy it cuz it's inexpensive" urge and buy my power tools at Harbor Freight. The trade-off, of course, is that now it will take me a while longer to save-up for even the initial power-tools that I really want to have ... especially now if I am going to go the "quality" route.

Not to discount any of the insight and advice that any of you have (thankfully) provided to/for me .... but the proverbial "nail in the coffin" was the added advice/insight from none other than my fiancee' - who told me of the various power tools she remembers (in her younger years) her uncle purchasing at/through Harbor Freight ... most of which (more times than not) malfunctioned or broke not long thereafter.

So, after much contemplation, I decided that ALL of that advice and warning was simply more powerful than my underlying urge to run over to HF this past Black Friday and spend my virtually non-existent discretionary funds on a HF 12" SCMS, circular saw and/or jig saw - and instead focus on researching/picking up one QUALITY tool at a time ... over a period of time.

Admittedly, I'm a little disappointed about having to further protract the process - but I also know that you are ALL correct and that not "settling" for lesser tools is the right thing to do)



THANK YOU ALL for taking the time to provide your insight and advice to this newcomer to the DIY'er level woodworking world.




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Hey Cap't instead of giving up let me make a couple suggestions, watch the want adds with the economy being what it is there are a lot of people selling their tools. Check the local pawnshops for quality tools. Check local tool places and big box stores for re-conditioned tools, a lot cheaper and most carry new tool warranties.
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Buying pre - owned can be very economical but also promotes thievery from the trades people . I've grown to avoid Craigs and ebay alike for that reason with items that can easily be lifted .

With awareness of the situation and surrounds the honor of the selling party can usually be quickly determined with reasonable accuracy . Garage and estate sales are often a good option if one just takes a minute to determine if an item has been around the property for some time or just fresh off the street .
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This would be money better spent than at harbor freight, no offense
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Well, many of you will be happy to know that I have decided NOT to give in to the VERY STRONG "buy it cuz it's inexpensive" urge and buy my power tools at Harbor Freight.
I have been following your thread, because I was also looking for a miter saw. I got the DEWALT 718. I'm glad you decided against the Harbor Freight saw. Their power tools don't last long, the warranty is very short, and you can't get parts to repair anything yourself.

I got the "big model" because I am hoping it will cut 6x6 posts for my deck in the spring. If not, you can bet I will just use the chain saw and hope for the best.

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The same thing is true of pawn shops, which are not all run by honest people. Even if they are, it's not like the police always have time to try to track down items that get stolen from someone who wrote down all their serial numbers in the off-chance that they ended up at an honest pawn shop.

Personally, I do not mind buying used things. I also don't mind buying from guys who don't want you to meet them at their home, because I don't invite people over to my house if I am selling something on Craigslist. I don't want people I don't know well to see that I have a garage full of tools and two big trailers parked in my secluded driveway, you know?

Two empty houses right next to me had all their plumbing, electrical wire, HVAC units, etc. ripped out and I was not only home, but I was sitting in my front room facing one house when someone was stealing the HVAC outside unit from next door. I heard a sound and went outside, and saw a guy running away! Not only that but he later CAME BACK to finish the job. Sheriff later found out it was A NEIGHBOR a few houses down because the guy had huge piles of scavenged metal in his front yard and he gave them a reason to go poking around!

If you can't trust your neighbors ... you sure can't trust random people on Craigslist to come to your house and buy something!

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I have been following your thread, because I was also looking for a miter saw. I got the DEWALT 718. I'm glad you decided against the Harbor Freight saw. Their power tools don't last long, the warranty is very short, and you can't get parts to repair anything yourself.

I got the "big model" because I am hoping it will cut 6x6 posts for my deck in the spring. If not, you can bet I will just use the chain saw and hope for the best.
Yah ... I think I ultimately made the right decision in the long run. Sometimes we just need to allow patience and reason to overcome excitement/enthusiasm in wanting to start right away and settling for something lesser.

So, I'm now eye'ing (and will be saving up for) the Hitachi 12-in 15-Amp Dual Bevel Sliding Compound Laser Miter Saw at this point. It seems to get positive reviews across multiple sites I've been researching.


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Folks,

I am new to DIY and woodworking, so I don't have experience with different brands of Miter Saws. But I recently purchased a:


RIDGID 10" Compound Miter Saw with Adjustable Laser Model: MS1065LZA

This tool was very easy to setup and use. The manual, and some docs I found on the Web make it easy to setup, tune, check and test.

The included blade cuts wood like it was air. I was amazed the first time I used it, I cut a 2x4 .. and felt no resistance at all.

JMHO as a beginner.

Cheers
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