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Old 01-28-2011, 12:06 AM   #31
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For me, I put Made in China (now in control of Macaou(sp?) and Hong-Kong) at the absolute bottom of the list. If I ever saw anything made in N. Korea or Iran, that might be bellow it.

China is a country that uses political prisoners as slave labor, likes to send us poison (my pets did plenty of puking back then, but were not eating the "official" tainted food), the drywall thing, generally builds crap, Tibet, threatens us with attacks if we stand by our allies and honor our treaties, puts major restriction on what they will allow to be imported, plays the currency game to our detriment and is the most polluting country in the world (I believe).

For me, there are 3 basic tiers:
Made in USA - most favored, and will spend more to get it.

Made in almost any country

Made in China - least favored. I'll only buy if there is no other viable alternative.

I would tend to buy made in Canada over Made in Mexico, Germany over France and similar things like that; but in general Its USA, China, or who-ever

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Old 01-28-2011, 11:26 PM   #32
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For me, I put Made in China (now in control of Macaou(sp?) and Hong-Kong) at the absolute bottom of the list. If I ever saw anything made in N. Korea or Iran, that might be bellow it.

China is a country that uses political prisoners as slave labor, likes to send us poison (my pets did plenty of puking back then, but were not eating the "official" tainted food), the drywall thing, generally builds crap, Tibet, threatens us with attacks if we stand by our allies and honor our treaties, puts major restriction on what they will allow to be imported, plays the currency game to our detriment and is the most polluting country in the world (I believe).

For me, there are 3 basic tiers:
Made in USA - most favored, and will spend more to get it.

Made in almost any country

Made in China - least favored. I'll only buy if there is no other viable alternative.

I would tend to buy made in Canada over Made in Mexico, Germany over France and similar things like that; but in general Its USA, China, or who-ever
What about the slave labor in India?

In fact, the cost of getting things made in China is increasing, and they're starting to farm stuff out to Vietnam and India.

I guess you don't shop at Walmart where 99.5% of the stuff there is made in China.
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Old 01-29-2011, 12:27 AM   #33
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I guess you don't shop at Walmart where 99.5% of the stuff there is made in China.
I went there today and purchased Toys for my Daughter (made in USA) and Groceries (pretty sure all of it made or grown in North America and most or all of it in the USA)

I also called my Dad to see if he wanted a cheap back-up chainsaw (assembled in the USA) and considered some ammo (made in USA) and looked at their made in the Philipines rifle scopes then took a peak at the prices of many different 22 rifles, all made in the USA. I then headed by the electrical and perused some of their Blu-Rays, most filmed and produced in the USA, but admittedly, I didn't look at were the discs were made. I even glanced at the domestically printed tabloids (poor Regis), and gave my wife some crap about the gum she picked up, that I highly doubt was made in China

I wouldn't have though I rejected 199 shopping carts worth of Chinese products just to fill that one, but it must have been so.
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For me, I put Made in China (now in control of Macaou(sp?) and Hong-Kong) at the absolute bottom of the list. If I ever saw anything made in N. Korea or Iran, that might be bellow it.

China is a country that uses political prisoners as slave labor, likes to send us poison (my pets did plenty of puking back then, but were not eating the "official" tainted food), the drywall thing, generally builds crap, Tibet, threatens us with attacks if we stand by our allies and honor our treaties, puts major restriction on what they will allow to be imported, plays the currency game to our detriment and is the most polluting country in the world (I believe).

For me, there are 3 basic tiers:
Made in USA - most favored, and will spend more to get it.

Made in almost any country

Made in China - least favored. I'll only buy if there is no other viable alternative.

I would tend to buy made in Canada over Made in Mexico, Germany over France and similar things like that; but in general Its USA, China, or who-ever
I figured there were a few people that felt like I do, and you are definately one. I agree 100% with what you stated.
And about finding goods made in U S A--I look at virtually everything I buy--more people should TAKE THE TIME to look. It will make a difference!
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I went there today and purchased Toys for my Daughter (made in USA) and Groceries (pretty sure all of it made or grown in North America and most or all of it in the USA)

I also called my Dad to see if he wanted a cheap back-up chainsaw (assembled in the USA) and considered some ammo (made in USA) and looked at their made in the Philipines rifle scopes then took a peak at the prices of many different 22 rifles, all made in the USA. I then headed by the electrical and perused some of their Blu-Rays, most filmed and produced in the USA, but admittedly, I didn't look at were the discs were made. I even glanced at the domestically printed tabloids (poor Regis), and gave my wife some crap about the gum she picked up, that I highly doubt was made in China

I wouldn't have though I rejected 199 shopping carts worth of Chinese products just to fill that one, but it must have been so.
What chainsaw did you see that was assembled in the US? Is that company owned by a Chinese conglomerate?

Let me revise that to 70%+ from China, and another large percentage from other foreign lands (not european).

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch.../walmart_5.cfm
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I figured there were a few people that felt like I do, and you are definately one. I agree 100% with what you stated.
And about finding goods made in U S A--I look at virtually everything I buy--more people should TAKE THE TIME to look. It will make a difference!
I'm proud that my Ariens show thrower is made in the USA with a USA flag on it.

Given that, I also love my Japanese made Yamaha generator and my other Honda equipment.
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I'm proud that my Ariens show thrower is made in the USA with a USA flag on it.

Given that, I also love my Japanese made Yamaha generator and my other Honda equipment.
A lot of quality goods, not made in USA, come from other countries. It's just that I have never purchased a quality made item that came out of Communist China!
I just bought a seat for my tractor and it is made in U S A. These same "copyies" made in China, were much cheaper and I will not take the chance to find out their quality.
I bought the seat off eBay and I bet I asked over 8 sellers where their seat was made and I only got one answer--that's the one I bought. They were proud to sell an American product.
I need a hammerdrill and a worm drive saw. I have decided to buy a used one that I feel sure is made in U S A because all new, that I have looked at, are foreign made.
I thank I will have better luck with a worn American product then a new piece of China Junk
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A lot of quality goods, not made in USA, come from other countries. It's just that I have never purchased a quality made item that came out of Communist China!
I just bought a seat for my tractor and it is made in U S A. These same "copyies" made in China, were much cheaper and I will not take the chance to find out their quality.
I bought the seat off eBay and I bet I asked over 8 sellers where their seat was made and I only got one answer--that's the one I bought. They were proud to sell an American product.
I need a hammerdrill and a worm drive saw. I have decided to buy a used one that I feel sure is made in U S A because all new, that I have looked at, are foreign made.
I thank I will have better luck with a worn American product then a new piece of China Junk
I enjoy my Bosch hammer drill and don't have issues with products made in Europe.

Again, it's a cost vs. quality balance. If someone is not a professional contractor, buying a high end worm gear circular saw may not make sense for a onetime job that can be achieved by getting something like Ryobi that's 1/3 the cost or a Craftsman saw that's also made in China.

In fact, buying cheap tools (e.g. tin snips, saws, etc.) from Harbor Freight often meets the needs of the average homeowner.
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I enjoy my Bosch hammer drill and don't have issues with products made in Europe.

Again, it's a cost vs. quality balance. If someone is not a professional contractor, buying a high end worm gear circular saw may not make sense for a onetime job that can be achieved by getting something like Ryobi that's 1/3 the cost or a Craftsman saw that's also made in China.

In fact, buying cheap tools (e.g. tin snips, saws, etc.) from Harbor Freight often meets the needs of the average homeowner.
I have to agree with you about the average homeowner. However, I do all my remodeling and repair plus all my mechanical jobs. I am just blessed with the talent to do so and to have places like this to get information for help.
I have always made it a practice to buy quality tools, regardless of how much I plan to use. Don't want to be stopped with a defective or inferior tool. Even if you buy quality, sometimes you get bit
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What chainsaw did you see that was assembled in the US? Is that company owned by a Chinese conglomerate?

Let me revise that to 70%+ from China, and another large percentage from other foreign lands (not european).

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch.../walmart_5.cfm
I think it was this saw;
http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CEMQ8wIwAw#
I remember it was a Poulan (owned by Huskivarna) 42cc. They had 3 or 4 Poulan saws in stock.

I wouldn't consider the AFL-CIO is an honest and unbiased source of information on Walmart (or anything for that matter).

Even if it is 2/3 China, thats still more Non-China selection than any other store with in driving distance.

Time to let go of your hate

ps. I considered an Airens snowblower, but went for a cheaper, much more solidly built and better featured, Made in USA Poulan I got from Sam's club (a division of Walmart).

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Even if you buy quality, sometimes you get bit
Well, isn't that the truth!

Too many companies mortgage their good name for a quick buck. A good indicator of that going on is; "Where is it made now?" SteelCase office furniture is an example. Word is they've been letting quality slip for a few years while turning bigger profits and recently they announce shutting down their MI plant and one or two others to move all production to Mexico.
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[quote=forresth;580854]Well, isn't that the truth!

Too many companies mortgage their good name for a quick buck. A good indicator of that going on is; "Where is it made now?" SteelCase office furniture is an example. Word is they've been letting quality slip for a few years while turning bigger profits and recently they announce shutting down their MI plant and one or two others to move all production to Mexico.[/quote
I think one of the greatest problems with China made products is not design but quality of manufacturing materials.
A few years ago, I purchased a starter for my Case Backhoe. A Case starter was over $300.00 and this is an old machine. I found several for $150.00 on eBay and the seller stated they had very few complaints over the sale of several hundred.
Well, I bought one and it worked fine for about 10 crankings and then it went out. Right in the middle of a big job
I tore the starter apart and found that it was desighned exactly as the original starter. However everything was cheaply made and the brush holders were broke. (rotten steel?).
I trashed the starter and bought a Factory Case starter and have had No problems sinse.
I just finished reading several reviews of wormdrive circular saws. All these Namebrand American saws are now made in China and the quality has disappeared
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I think it was this saw;
http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CEMQ8wIwAw#
I remember it was a Poulan (owned by Huskivarna) 42cc. They had 3 or 4 Poulan saws in stock.

I wouldn't consider the AFL-CIO is an honest and unbiased source of information on Walmart (or anything for that matter).

Even if it is 2/3 China, thats still more Non-China selection than any other store with in driving distance.

Time to let go of your hate

ps. I considered an Airens snowblower, but went for a cheaper, much more solidly built and better featured, Made in USA Poulan I got from Sam's club (a division of Walmart).
Maybe it's time for you to let go of your hate for China. They must be doing something right if Walmart's merchandise is majority made in China. I know you're trying to feel less guilty shopping at Walmart and Sam's club, but you need to deal with reality. If Walmart wasn't making money off China products, there would be no Walmart for you to shop in.

Keep in mind that just because your Poulan saw says made in the USA, it's probably more complicated than that. Most of the parts are probably made in China and then assembled in the US.

Ariens crushes Poulan anyday when it comes to lawn and snow care. You never see a contractor pro use Poulan. That's reality, no matter what you think.
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Thanks for the original post, as I am looking for a new battery drill, (my previous was a 24v 3ah Bosch made in Switzerland, probally as rare as rocking horse **** nowadays) but sold that still working fine and bought a Makita 18v Lith, made in Japan (I suppose better than China) but now the low gear has gone, I suppose I could get it repaired but as it is 2 years old I was looking for a new one made in the Western world, but Bosch, dewalt, metabo etc are all made in the far east and now I know milwaukee are to (I thought these were American). I don't care about the factory being owned by the manufacture or if the quality is good, the manufacture should look after his own country first. Bring back ELU and the likes. Still at least Festool are still German, will look at their drills, I have their routers, sanders etc and I don't mind paying the extra, because in the long run you save money. I still have Elu routers, sanders which are still going strong after 20 years and if they were around today I would upgrade them. I even have a Elektra Beckum cross cut saw that is from 1991 and still running. So if anyone can tell me of any other drills that are made in the west, please let me know.
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bought a Makita 18v Lith, made in Japan (I suppose better than China) but now the low gear has gone, I suppose I could get it repaired but as it is 2 years old I was looking for a new one
Is there a Makita service center where you live? I thought there Lithium tools carry a 3 year warranty

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