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Old 05-11-2010, 10:33 PM   #16
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Surprising that someone else was aware of the violins made in China. The finest quality violins embarass most of the rest of the world (especially the U.S. and Europe) for quality and use only Chinese wood. The mass market (cheap) they also control is common in the U.S. and uses American or Russian wood, but never the valuable Chinese wood.

Like many other products, they are probably shipped on the largest, fastest and most sophisticated ships that cut 4 days off a Pacific crossing using a crew of only 13, so hourly wages or labor costs are not important. I think they may charter a 747 to ship the expensive ones though.

According to a GM executive, China is a bigger market for Buicks than the U.S., but lags behind Mercedes and BMW. They all are behind some Chinese and other Asian imports, since China is the worlds largest car market (hard to believe). - Seems hard to believe what has happened in the last 10 to 15 years.

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Most of the problems I have seen with China junk is due to the poor quality of materials
China has the poorest quality Aluminum and Steel IN THE WORLD! And a lot of child slave labor is involved in many products
Add drywall to that list.
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Surprising that someone else was aware of the violins made in China. The finest quality violins embarass most of the rest of the world (especially the U.S. and Europe) for quality and use only Chinese wood. The mass market (cheap) they also control is common in the U.S. and uses American or Russian wood, but never the valuable Chinese wood.

Like many other products, they are probably shipped on the largest, fastest and most sophisticated ships that cut 4 days off a Pacific crossing using a crew of only 13, so hourly wages or labor costs are not important. I think they may charter a 747 to ship the expensive ones though.

According to a GM executive, China is a bigger market for Buicks than the U.S., but lags behind Mercedes and BMW. They all are behind some Chinese and other Asian imports, since China is the worlds largest car market (hard to believe). - Seems hard to believe what has happened in the last 10 to 15 years.
Buicks are considered luxury cars in China.

How foolish some are.
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I agree with most of the other threads but the main point i have to make is that you bought the tool on ebay and didnt really support the US economy if you were wanting US made
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Just a couple things:

Milwaukee is owned by Techtronic, who makes Ryobi, Craftsman, Milwaukee, and AEG. (http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands) So it makes sense that the stuff comes form China now.

I agree it's important to support our home country and when I was at Sears buying some tools, most of the hand tools are still made in the USA (at least the mechanic's set). I have a set of the regular pliers and they are stamped USA. for hand tools I definitely try to buy Made in USA.

As far as the costs - it still baffles me that it's cheaper to build, say, a washing machine in China, ship it 1/2 - 3/4 the way around the world than build it in Kansas and ship it 1,500 miles. Labor costs can't be that much more expensive in the USA....
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Don't blame it all on labor.

Most of money savings in outsourcing comes from the expense of our tax structure and regulations.
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Although if you buy in HD... you got to check the country before paying... I found out there same drill cost $150 bucks more but was stamped with USA made.... whereas if you buy from internet... most of the time, such information is not specified... unless you remember to ask... and they bother to answer....
Just bought a tractor seat and a corded hammerdrill. Both were made in USA. I always ask when buying on eBay and 8 out of 10 times I do not get an answer. Guess they figure there is a reason for asking.
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Interesting web site I happened across, when trying to figure if the Milwaukee brand had something manufactured here

http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html
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Shipping, especially by water is very, very cheap, especially with the very advanced ships made in Europe since the over-sized (length, width and weight) and faster ships that are too big for any bridge or canal, but make trip from China to the U.S. west coast with minimum fuel in 4 days less time for a trip than any others from China using a trained crew of 13 people plus cooks and stewards. After that, land transportation in the U.S. is a big cost factor.

China is also in a battle with cheap labor and have a rmed border to North Korea to stop the illegal anoens working for cheap wages (sounds like a similar U.S. problem), but hey have it under control quickly.

Also, the India call-centers for high tech assistance and service are slowly losing the business to other SE Asian countries that have a good knowledge and speak English well, but Indians can make more money locally in other technical businesses because of the superior educational system. - Many call centers are manned by Indian teen-agers after a 10 hour school day and doing homework since they have a great command of both English and American (they just shift gears).

A major fault is the American system that allows "Made in the U.S.A" to be used on almost anything thing. Other countries require "Made in XXX" if only using domestic parts. If imported parts from places like the U.S. or Mexico are used, is must say "Assembled in XXX using imported parts".

Buick is not really considered a luxury car in China and it is a poor third to Mercedes and BMW in respect and sales. Imports are not that common through-out China because they make more cars than any country, but have resisted some imports depending on the source.

Getting down to earth, importing is a "can of worms" where the best rise to the surface eventually, but the U.S. is falling behind just as badly as it is in education.

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Nevermind China, but do people have the same issue about not buying foreign if the product was made in Germany (some Bosch) or Sweden (some Husqvarna) instead?
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Nevermind China, but do people have the same issue about not buying foreign if the product was made in Germany (some Bosch) or Sweden (some Husqvarna) instead?
My personal experience has been that everything I bought that was made in Europe has been top notch. I really don't care where something is made, as long as it is quality product and it lasts.
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Chinese have qualms about buying and importing most items. A lot of the electronics components in medical equipment they buy for assembly into high-tech equipment come from the U.S. Many of electronic parts for TVs and computers come from either Mexico or S.E. Asia since they are not economic or available from the U.S.

Ever since WWII, they seem to have had some aversion to avoiding Japanese products except Toto toilets for $7,000 each. Also, they do buy American chicken, rice, lumber and wheat in addition to lending money to the U.S.

It is a strange puzzle to put together.

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My personal experience has been that everything I bought that was made in Europe has been top notch. I really don't care where something is made, as long as it is quality product and it lasts.
I agree, but a lot of times, it's a balance between top notch and top cost.
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Chinese have qualms about buying and importing most items. A lot of the electronics components in medical equipment they buy for assembly into high-tech equipment come from the U.S. Many of electronic parts for TVs and computers come from either Mexico or S.E. Asia since they are not economic or available from the U.S.

Ever since WWII, they seem to have had some aversion to avoiding Japanese products except Toto toilets for $7,000 each. Also, they do buy American chicken, rice, lumber and wheat in addition to lending money to the U.S.

It is a strange puzzle to put together.

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The Chinese have an aversion to buying Japanese? I think a lot of Chinese are only concerned about buying top quality.

What I recently learned is that a lot of Jews avoid buying German. Most traditional Jews you see would rather buy a Lexus than a BMW or Mercedes because of this.
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The Chinese have an aversion to buying Japanese? I think a lot of Chinese are only concerned about buying top quality.

What I recently learned is that a lot of Jews avoid buying German. Most traditional Jews you see would rather buy a Lexus than a BMW or Mercedes because of this.
....for the same reasons.

Japan was not kind to China at all during WW2.

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