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Old 01-30-2010, 09:07 AM   #31
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Thanks, I doubt that wanna be was aware of the report; otherwise he/she would have mentioned it when I asked for data to back up their statement, instead he/she just posted about his/her personal experience with it. (Which really didn't seam that positive to me.)

My point being; he/she made a statement based on his/her opinion, then said anyone that did not agree with him/her did not know anything. I have read some of his/her other post and it seams he/she likes to "ruffle feathers" . Until I see some positive, useful feedback from him/her I will be view his/her post as having little or no value.

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Old 01-30-2010, 09:11 AM   #32
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This would be the data I was speaking of. Do you have a link to the article?
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Old 01-30-2010, 10:34 AM   #33
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I posted part of the review below. You will note that choice was made on comfort and features.

Comfort is subjective, what is comfortable for me, may not be for you. Features can also be subjective, some tools have features some find useful while others do not and may even find annoying. (Such as the location of a switch, light or laser)

Most tool reviews are a matter of opinion. While they may have some data such as torque, run time, weight etc. The finial choice is based on what the reviewer likes for features and comfort.

Tool reviews are a good resource to start your search; however I do not believe one should purchase a tool based on a few reviews (regardless of who is doing the review). You should go to the store and look at all your options, pick up and handle the tool, how does it feel to you. If you have a chance use the tool, see how it performs. Talk to other people who have what you are looking for and see how they like it.

I guess what started my rant this morning was wanna bees' statement that others did not know anything if we did not agree with him/her. I apologize if anyone has been offended by any of my comments. I started a new job this week with different hours. Even though I now get to "sleep in" until five am, it is still throwing my internal clock off a bit.

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Firstly, I agree that opinions should be identified as such, over-generalizing and arrogance should be avoided, and aggressively jumping down people's throats is also not very pleasant to read. 'Nuff said.

Secondly, concerning the Makita consideration: I recently purchased a set of the "W" class Makitas: Drill, flashlight and 3 batteries. In my opinion (!), the units are amazingly lightweight for an 18V system, and perform wonderfully (so far). Had an HVAC tech here last month, and his old Makita 18V flashlight battery was giving out. I loaned him my "W" light, and he was shocked at both the light weight of the unit and the brightness of the light. After discussing and reviewing the rest of the equipment, he went off to purchase his own set (impact driver instead of drill). The posted review is pretty accurate: The smaller-capacity Li-Ion batteries don't last as long, but last a good period of time, and with the 15 minute charge cycle and one backup battery, you almost can't go wrong.

(One error in the review: "W" class units AREN'T interchangible with larger Makita 18V. I purchased the larger battery, and it couldn't fit in the "W" units).

I wish I could justify getting the impact driver to complete the set. Right now, too many other spending priorities...
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:32 AM   #35
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I posted part of the review below. You will note that choice was made on comfort and features.

Comfort is subjective, what is comfortable for me, may not be for you. Features can also be subjective, some tools have features some find useful while others do not and may even find annoying. (Such as the location of a switch, light or laser)

Most tool reviews are a matter of opinion. While they may have some data such as torque, run time, weight etc. The finial choice is based on what the reviewer likes for features and comfort.

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Tool reviews are a good resource to start your search; however I do not believe one should purchase a tool based on a few reviews (regardless of who is doing the review). You should go to the store and look at all your options, pick up and handle the tool, how does it feel to you. If you have a chance use the tool, see how it performs. Talk to other people who have what you are looking for and see how they like it.
I guess what started my rant this morning was wanna bees' statement that others did not know anything if we did not agree with him/her. I apologize if anyone has been offended by any of my comments. I started a new job this week with different hours. Even though I now get to "sleep in" until five am, it is still throwing my internal clock off a bit.

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Very true on that point. A crew of middle aged carpenters will normally opt for the lighter weight tools. The young guy's are still strong enough to sling around a heavy tool all day with no ill effects.

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Very good discussion on what is the meaning of Best
I agree with brokenknee in urging caution in making claims before they are referenced. To me the whole idea of 'Best' is in the eye of the beholder. For Drivers my choice is a 14.4V Panasonic but then I am in the Senior citizen class.

Thanks for the Link Kevin. I subscribe to FH & JLC but not Tools of the Trade.

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well said everyone
and yes i have a 18volt DeWalt impact driver and i LOVE it!
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Kudos to brokenknee for using the Microsoft Snipping Tool highlighter in Post #33 to highlight the text. The free Snipping Tool is not available in XP or the basic versions of Vista or Windows 7, but it is a powerful tool to mark up text or graphics.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../snipping-tool

For anyone buying into Windows 7, this is IMO a powerful tool that it should be noted will not be included in all versions of Windows.

I use it for all kinds of things like customer markups and even to markup my weekly movie listing from The Bridge theater. I print it on a 4x6 photo and carry it in my back pocket.
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/mic...ippingtool.htm


Sorry for the thread drift but hey, this is a tool forum.
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I did not even know the snipping tool was on my computer until I learned about it on this forum. I now use it almost everyday.

As PB stated it is a great tool.
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wow never thought a forum full of grown ups would be so sensitive.

As previously stated i should not have said no one knows anything it was more to get my point across and not to hurt anyones feelings. As for my reference in thinking the 1.5AH makita 18V LI ion kit being the best I have used Dewalt, Hitachi, Ryobi, Milwaukee, and pretty much every other make or brand or drills.

My review was very positive actually. I just said dont expect them to last for hours, but at 10 or so mins/charge thats pretty good. Also you will notice it bog down while drilling through (with larger bits) in more dense wood. Otherwise the weight and performance of the drill is great but the issue some people have with it is they hear 18V and dont understand that its only 1.5AH and not 3 like the larger makitas or such that of a Dewalt XRP 18v Ni Cad
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Here is a smoking deal on a 14.4 Volt Makita Impact Driver Close-Out that was posted over on JLC.

Price: $99 with 2 Ni-MH batteries, charger, and case
free shipping with code 12010

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/202...ss-Impact.aspx

I had a Makita 12V Ni-MH Drill when it came out in 2002 to replace the previous Makita design that used those long stick batteries. I did not have any issues with that technology although now compared to Li-Ion they take longer to charge. But at $99 it is a super deal.
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wow never thought a forum full of grown ups would be so sensitive.
As previously stated i should not have said no one knows anything it was more to get my point across and not to hurt anyones feelings. As for my reference in thinking the 1.5AH makita 18V LI ion kit being the best I have used Dewalt, Hitachi, Ryobi, Milwaukee, and pretty much every other make or brand or drills.

My review was very positive actually. I just said dont expect them to last for hours, but at 10 or so mins/charge thats pretty good. Also you will notice it bog down while drilling through (with larger bits) in more dense wood. Otherwise the weight and performance of the drill is great but the issue some people have with it is they hear 18V and dont understand that its only 1.5AH and not 3 like the larger makitas or such that of a Dewalt XRP 18v Ni Cad
Hey wnabcptrNH,

I would imagine most, if not all inter net forums include a diverse group of individuals with diverse opinions. The chances are pretty high some conflict will develop in various conversations. This particular forum has a great group of moderators. They are not so intrusive they squelch conversations, but will intervene if things get out of hand.

The only perfect way to prevent any contentions is to not allow any posts. Or, over regulate the discussions to the point the conversations are not worth having.

It's similar to self leveling floor compound, throw it on and let it level out!!

Ya, the 1.5's take some getting used to. I think the key term is medium for these drivers. If you buy it and think you can run it for hours driving larger fasteners, you will be disappointed. I did a job with a guy who had the blue 3.0, we compared them a bit. Seemed like I was recharging every five minutes and he was recharging every five hours. I didn't think to try his 3.0 battery in my driver, I thought they were interchangeable, but maybe not?

My biggest concern with the Makita is the durability. I'm concerned the trade off for the light weight may be sacrificing quality? Time will tell!!

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Here is a smoking deal on a 14.4 Volt Makita Impact Driver Close-Out that was posted over on JLC.

Price: $99 with 2 Ni-MH batteries, charger, and case
free shipping with code 12010

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/202...ss-Impact.aspx

I had a Makita 12V Ni-MH Drill when it came out in 2002 to replace the previous Makita design that used those long stick batteries. I did not have any issues with that technology although now compared to Li-Ion they take longer to charge. But at $99 it is a super deal.
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Here is a smoking deal on a 14.4 Volt Makita Impact Driver Close-Out that was posted over on JLC.

Price: $99 with 2 Ni-MH batteries, charger, and case
free shipping with code 12010

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/202...ss-Impact.aspx

I had a Makita 12V Ni-MH Drill when it came out in 2002 to replace the previous Makita design that used those long stick batteries. I did not have any issues with that technology although now compared to Li-Ion they take longer to charge. But at $99 it is a super deal.
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I've got a Makita set of drills / drivers and LOVE using them. They are lightweight, have plenty of punch and the LED light on the nose surprisingly useful, as long as my fat finger doesnt cover it up
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Hi Jack, are you this Jack from the Garage Journal Forum.

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Welcome, I will be looking forward to your post as I do on the Garage Journal Forum. For those who do not know Jack he has made some amazing stuff that he has posted on the other forum. He will be a great asset to have aboard.

I hope you don't mind I posted your avatar from the other forum. If you do let me know and I will take it down.


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