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TurboDIYer 01-04-2012 11:45 PM

DeWalt Drills
 
Heyyyy,
I've wanting to get a new drills and I don't get why Dewalt is charging me more for a 18v while I can get the 20v for like cheaper. That doesn't make sense in my la la land. You guys wanna help me find the answer to this weird thing stuck in my head? (here's a link for comparison)
http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/s...1&prod4=980422

cjm94 01-05-2012 01:15 AM

The twenty volt is made in china.

titanoman 01-05-2012 10:11 AM

They are all made by B & D, China or wherever.

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joecaption 01-05-2012 10:29 AM

I would not buy a new Dewault anything.
We started out using them about 5 years ago. Some failed the first day we bought them. Since that time all of them have had failed switches, bad brushes, non rechargable battery , stripped gears. There now all in the trash.
During that same time period I bought a cheap set of Ryobi tools just to keep in my truck for service work, all of them still work and I still have the same batterys. And it cost me less then 1/2 of what the other brands cost.
If your a weekend DIY I'd suggest the Ryobi 18V.
If your a tradesman then look into the Mikita, Porta Cable, Millwaulke or Bosch.
Before I spend money on any tool I go on Amazon.com and look up the tool, at the bottom of the page there's coments from people that have bought the tool. There was lots of comments from people about the same drills I had that had failed shortly after they had bought them.
I also go on CPO.com there a tool supply house with great prices, they also carry reconditioned tools with a full factory warrenty.
I bought a Porta Cable random orbital sander on there for $25.00. It came with the case, manual, and looked like brand new.

raylo32 01-05-2012 10:30 AM

And the "20v" is not really 20 volts. These batteries are still nominally 18 volts. Li-ion cells are 1.8v per cell, 3.6v per pair of cells. Battery packs have 5 pairs of cells=18volts. When you pull a battery pack off the charger it will read 20 volts for awhile reflecting the actual voltage that the charger was pumping into it hence they get away with this charade. There is even an asterisk on the packaging and some fine print to this effect. Kinda like saying a new car battery that is put on a charger for awhile could be sold as a 14v battery. It will be for a little while....

titanoman 01-05-2012 10:51 AM

IMO, they were a good tool before Black and Decker bought them. The price and quality went down.
15 years ago, I lost my temper and threw my 12volt drill, hard, from the top of a 16' ladder. It hit a big landscaping boulder and the only thing that happened was the battery flew out.
Me and my buddies got a laugh out of that (and made me cool off from my temper tantrum), and thought that would make a good video to send to Dewalt.
So the next day, my buddie brought his JVC camcorder, and I repeated throwing the drill down again (it was time to buy a new drill anyway if I broke it).
This time the battery didn't come out, but the bit did!
I sent the video to Dewalt, and today I still have that same drill (with a new battery), and the 14 volt drill they sent me free because they liked my video.
I'll bet right now they will outlast that new 20 or 18 volt.
If they built them like they used to, I think they would still be the best drill money could buy.
Sorry about the dull story. But I love my Dewalts (and their chop-saws too).

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DrHicks 01-05-2012 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboDIYer (Post 812899)
Heyyyy,
I've wanting to get a new drills and I don't get why Dewalt is charging me more for a 18v while I can get the 20v for like cheaper. That doesn't make sense in my la la land. You guys wanna help me find the answer to this weird thing stuck in my head? (here's a link for comparison)

All bets are off regarding why certain tools are certain prices at Home Depot. Sometimes they put tools on clearance only because they're making room for new inventory.

I bought such a set several years ago. 18v, includes drill, sawzall & circular saw. I've worked the heck out of them and have had no problems at all.

Just keep in mind that DeWALTs are NOT really a "contractor grade" tool anymore. More of a "better" consumer grade.

joecaption 01-05-2012 11:19 AM

Dewault bought out Black and Decker not the other way around.
Black and Decker used to make two grades of tools with two differant colors on the cases.
For a while some of the home owner grade tools made by B&D and the Dewaults used the same parts. Then they decided to have B&D only make home owner tools and Dewault make the contractor grade tools.
I used to work in a huge place that sold over a million dollars worth of Dewault tools and we also owned a tool repair center. After the two companys merged our repair center work load just about doubled. Cheap switches and tiny brushes that wore out to soon were the main problums.
It got so bad people stopped buying as many tools and we had to add Millwaulke to the tool line.
Just hold the brushes next to each other the millwalke is almost twice the size.
Not trying to bash your tool that you have had good luck with or trying to get you to change brands. Just stating what I have seen and dealt with.

titanoman 01-05-2012 11:23 AM

No Joe. Your wrong. Look it up.
http://www.imgur.com/xLztH.jpg

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joecaption 01-05-2012 11:26 AM

Makes no differance in your story really, just the way it is.

TurboDIYer 01-05-2012 11:54 AM

Stanley Hand Tools own DeWalt,Milvakee and Black and Decker lol

TurboDIYer 01-05-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raylo32 (Post 813154)
And the "20v" is not really 20 volts. These batteries are still nominally 18 volts. Li-ion cells are 1.8v per cell, 3.6v per pair of cells. Battery packs have 5 pairs of cells=18volts. When you pull a battery pack off the charger it will read 20 volts for awhile reflecting the actual voltage that the charger was pumping into it hence they get away with this charade. There is even an asterisk on the packaging and some fine print to this effect. Kinda like saying a new car battery that is put on a charger for awhile could be sold as a 14v battery. It will be for a little while....

so that means that 18v is like 16?

titanoman 01-05-2012 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboDIYer (Post 813244)
Stanley Hand Tools own DeWalt,Milvakee and Black and Decker lol

Read post #9 lol.

TurboDIYer 01-05-2012 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by titanoman (Post 813172)
IMO, they were a good tool before Black and Decker bought them. The price and quality went down.
15 years ago, I lost my temper and threw my 12volt drill, hard, from the top of a 16' ladder. It hit a big landscaping boulder and the only thing that happened was the battery flew out.
Me and my buddies got a laugh out of that (and made me cool off from my temper tantrum), and thought that would make a good video to send to Dewalt.
So the next day, my buddie brought his JVC camcorder, and I repeated throwing the drill down again (it was time to buy a new drill anyway if I broke it).
This time the battery didn't come out, but the bit did!
I sent the video to Dewalt, and today I still have that same drill (with a new battery), and the 14 volt drill they sent me free because they liked my video.
I'll bet right now they will outlast that new 20 or 18 volt.
If they built them like they used to, I think they would still be the best drill money could buy.
Sorry about the dull story. But I love my Dewalts (and their chop-saws too).

Sent from a Samsung Galaxy S2

Yea, All my tools currently are DeWalts right now but I use them for my heavy duty home building jobs their starting to worn out and I wanna buy a new set.

TurboDIYer 01-05-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 813153)
I would not buy a new Dewault anything.
We started out using them about 5 years ago. Some failed the first day we bought them. Since that time all of them have had failed switches, bad brushes, non rechargable battery , stripped gears. There now all in the trash.
During that same time period I bought a cheap set of Ryobi tools just to keep in my truck for service work, all of them still work and I still have the same batterys. And it cost me less then 1/2 of what the other brands cost.
If your a weekend DIY I'd suggest the Ryobi 18V.
If your a tradesman then look into the Mikita, Porta Cable, Millwaulke or Bosch.
Before I spend money on any tool I go on Amazon.com and look up the tool, at the bottom of the page there's coments from people that have bought the tool. There was lots of comments from people about the same drills I had that had failed shortly after they had bought them.
I also go on CPO.com there a tool supply house with great prices, they also carry reconditioned tools with a full factory warrenty.
I bought a Porta Cable random orbital sander on there for $25.00. It came with the case, manual, and looked like brand new.

Just saying but I have bought the Millwaulkie,Poter Cable numerous times and it couldn't last me a long time in my contracting jobs. It broke just like with your experience with the DeWalt. But my favorite tool will always be Makita!


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