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Old 09-22-2010, 11:21 PM   #46
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Actually, I heard that if the dust gets in your veins, you end up being late for work most days and hardly working when you get there.

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Over the years I have owned and/or used nearly all the major manufacturers cordless drills. Bosch, Milwaukee, Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt, Skil, you name it. The one I liked the best is is far and away the Panasonic. Expensive? You bet, but it is THE BEST drill I have ever used and you couldn't pry it out of my hand.
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I prefer makita. that is all
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Milwaukee has always treated me well. My dad went from a Makita 18v to a Craftsman 19.2 volt and he liked both of those really well.

At the end of the day, if I'm going to get a new cordless tool, I will be shopping Makita/Milwaukee first, Craftsman second, and then everything else. I think Craftsman's cordless line gets overlooked a lot, but it offers some good stuff imho.
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The one I liked the best is is far and away the Panasonic. Expensive? You bet, but it is THE BEST drill I have ever used and you couldn't pry it out of my hand.

Hmmm..so Panasonic makes a crummy pry bar?
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I like my Hitachi 18v. It is half the weight of my Dewalt 18v. When I was installing cable tv, I used the Dewalt for hammerdrill purposes to drill through brick, but when I had to put in 20+ clips to run a cable around a house overhang, I used the Hitachi (non hammer drill)to save my arm. Both good drills.

Porter Cable is a great name in tools, why are the 18v tools so cheap at the stores?
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I have used Makita, and DeWalt tools at work, both nice, but the Makita far outshines the yellow stuff.

On my own, I used to have a set of Bosch tools for years. Great stuff.

Moved 1500 miles away, and bought a house. I had no power tools, and got a great deal on Ryobi combo. They are nothing special, but get the job done, and you can't beat the price.

When we are back in the black, I plan on buying a good set of 18v LXT Makita tools, but for now, the Ryobi set does what we need, and at a great price. Battery life is not so great, but the tools work, in rough conditions.

I would not buy DeWalt, they are OK, but not worth the premium.
Having a few Ridgid plug-in tools, I'm most definitely learning to respect this brand. Will try their cordless stuff before I upgrade.
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I started in the 80's with the old Makita 7.2V Ni Cad Drill.

I was 100% happy with it

Now I have Bosch 12V, Panasonic 14.4V, & DeWalt 18V

Still 100% happy with all of them.

But most happy with the Lightweight 14.4V Panasonic
now that it has a 3.0Ah Li-Ion Battery Pack
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De Walt Milwaukee Makita and Bosch dominate the cordless market.


No amount of advertising can increase a tools market share if it's poor quality.

You can't polish a turd.
Are you kidding me? This world is full of polished turds that people can't wait to acquire. Quality is not the only parameter either..it's value which includes price amongst other things. McDonalds is a marketing machine and has large market share...and that ain't exactly quality food. DeWalt may or may not be a good value and/or quality....but as a general statement "excellent" marketing can go a LONG way to increase sales despite inferior quality.

I'm a Makita fan for 18V LiIon drills/drivers. My saws I like corded and have Milwaukee Sawzall and circular...and Bosch corded jig.
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Are you kidding me? This world is full of polished turds that people can't wait to acquire. Quality is not the only parameter either..it's value which includes price amongst other things. McDonalds is a marketing machine and has large market share...and that ain't exactly quality food. DeWalt may or may not be a good value and/or quality....but as a general statement "excellent" marketing can go a LONG way to increase sales despite inferior quality.

I'm a Makita fan for 18V LiIon drills/drivers. My saws I like corded and have Milwaukee Sawzall and circular...and Bosch corded jig.
Food is not in the same category as tools. I don't eat at McDonald's and neither does my family.
Food is horrible.

But i won't argue the success of of their marketing even though I don't eat there.

But surely for anyone who makes a living with their tools you can't believe that a strong marketing campaign, no matter how aggressive, will keep you buying the same brand of tool over and over if they keep failing, do you?
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This country is brand obsessed and we have a lot of brand licensing, because many people buy by brand and success of one product significantly affects the success of other products.

Some don't associate "Black & Decker" with quality, but some of those people see DeWalt as quality.

Stanley Black and Decker owns DeWalt brand.

So, if the higher end high quality tools sold under DeWalt name is well made, they can use the brand recognition to sell lower end stuff they sold as "Black & Decker" in DeWalt yellow to home owners and contractors with pride who "won't be caught dead slingin' Ryobis"

GM pimps up a Tahoe and sells as a Cadillac Escalade, rather than Chevrolet Tahoe ESCL so people can say "mah Escalade/Caddy" rather than "mah Chevrolet"
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Define "Brand Obsessed Country". To be obsessed about something means to desire it just for the sake of owning it regardless of manufacture. So by extension the NON-OBSESSED would not want brand names?
If that were true then:

If we didn't have brand names would the "Non-Obsessed" say "Give me the good cordless drill"? and hope the guy behind the counter gives a tool that will last?
How would we know the quality products vs the mediocre with out brand names?

In reality good stuff-bad stuff- mediocre stuff all have brand names.

So that is why your term "Brand Obsessed" is confusing to me.

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Define "Brand Obsessed Country". To be obsessed about something means to desire it just for the sake of owning it regardless of manufacture. So by extension the NON-OBSESSED would not want brand names?
No, it wouldn't mean that the non-obsessed would not want brand names, it would mean that they wouldn't neccasarily be loyal to them.

If you are confused at what he meant by this, look at the licensing example he was using. deWalt will basically rent their brand name to anyone willing to pay for it. You can buy dewalt branded jeans, shoes, gloves, drill bit tips, countersinks, etc... all made by companies who only have one thing to do with Dewalt, and that's the fact that they rented their brand name. Why would they do do this? Because to some the name DeWalt means something, so( by extension) if a drill with the DeWalt brand name is good qualitiy, it stands to reason that a pair of jeans or safety glasses with the dewalt name is equally good. Sports are another example. Slap a certain teams logo on anything, and you instantly have a market for it.
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Define "Brand Obsessed Country". To be obsessed about something means to desire it just for the sake of owning it regardless of manufacture. So by extension the NON-OBSESSED would not want brand names?
If that were true then:

If we didn't have brand names would the "Non-Obsessed" say "Give me the good cordless drill"? and hope the guy behind the counter gives a tool that will last?
How would we know the quality products vs the mediocre with out brand names?
From not generalizing by brand. The members of contractor side of this chat room tend to be biased toward "Made in USA" without objectively valid reasons.

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In reality good stuff-bad stuff- mediocre stuff all have brand names.
Which is exactly why you can't assume the quality of products from one brand based on one product sample or anecdotal evidence.

There are some people who absolutely swear by Chevy brand because he's happy with the one truck he has.

There are people who despise Ford's because a family member died when their Windstar crashed into a tree and thought it didn't live up to crash ratings, thus condemning the brand.

With ever increasing brand licensing(letting others use your name), rebadging(buying from someone else's product based on their design but putting your logo on) and contract manufacturing(having someone else build it to your specs) "brand" is not really the "make" as much as it is the intellectual property of some holding company these days. I think it isn't all that much about quality as much as it is about managing "brand image" these days.

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So that is why your term "Brand Obsessed" is confusing to me.
Please explain
Someone who's rather be seen driving a BMW than a Kia. BMW of course wants to enforce. People who buy a product with such thing in consideration is partly "brand obsessed". Isn't there the element of wanting to show off "all that yellow" in buying DeWalts but not wanting to be see with Home Depot Ryobi?

One of the few valid reasons to be a brand sack rider is if the manufacturer/brand holder sells products utilizing impressive patented technology that's not matched by any of the competitors. That's one of the ways second class gains ground too. If Ryobi comes up with a patented technology that turns out useful in products and they do not license that technology out, you have to suck it up and buy their stuff or do away with the feature.

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Sure you can, as long as you offer a good value proposition, and strong marketing you'll grow market share. From the mid 90's -2004 DeWalt spent $$$$ to put their logo everywhere, billboards, city buses, NASCAR. it was really unheard of in the industrial tool market. they literally made themselves a houshold name.
It's all about brand recognition and perception. Brands are then used accordingly to differentiate products.

Most home electronics with "GE" brand have nothing to do with GE.

Iconic American brands like Westinghouse and Budweiser aren't what some people think they are.

Westinghouse is strictly a brand management company that is owned by CBS News in NY. The Westinghouse division's only role today is management license to the iconic "W" logo.

Budweiser "King of Beer" is now a Belgian beer, but still maintains strong brand recognition and loyalty from people your age.

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It doesn't matter today, but it did matter back when the brand was taking off. They were selling a lot of the exact same tools, under two different brand names.
Much like Rheem, Ruud, Weather King. They used to have different model #s, but today they have exactly the same model.

Many Rheem and Ruud are identical products, except for the sticker, yet Ruud dealers and Rheem dealers are different. Wholesalers usually only carry one brand or the other, and even brochures and manuals are the same word for word, except for Rheem/Ruud, slogans and logos.

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Pick most any product...find an internet forum focused on it...and you can fairly easily find what amount to religious wars between folks as to which brand is "better"...but in many of those cases there are several if not many manufacturers making decent quality, value products. Oftentimes people exhibit a bias toward a product and focus more on the name on the product label than they do on the objective attributes and quality of that product.

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