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Old 04-08-2009, 08:40 PM   #16
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Toolbarn has the same $200 price for the pair
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:14 AM   #17
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I agree with PaliBob. You need to HOLD the drill if you are going to spend that kind of money, or buy a smaller one.

I have a drill kit I bought at Costco for way less, it has lots of torque, which is a variable on these items. I prefer to NOT buy stuff made in china, however (and this thing is made in china). I purchased a second driver made by Bosch, which is the most compact unit they make. Reason? The drill-drivers with the larger batteries last longer between charges, have more power, but your hand tires way faster than these real small ones with the newer technology batteries. (Lithium Ion). But the Costco drill driver kit works for most screw driving into 2 or more inches thick studs or other solid wood. The smaller one works for about 2 or less inches of depth into hard wood. I like having both options for a driver. If you do electrical work on your house like I do, you are using the driver for screws for cover plates, etc. and you only need a little power, and a light tool.

If you only buy one driver, try it out first. The ergonomics, balance and weight make a big difference if you are putting down a deck or sheetrock where you are going to be driving a lot of screws. My choice is Bosch. Most of their products are made either in Switzerland or USA. Milwaulkee is outsourcing now to china. Bad. If you buy on line, send a message first to ask where the tool is made.

The impact drivers are good at shearing off the heads of screws if you are driving into studs. Not recommended for general screw driving. I would avoid them for general home owner use.

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I was disappointed to find out ALL Makita cordless drills are "made in china" now. The parts are all manufactured in China, and then assembled in Georgia. I found this out direct from Makita. The batteries may still be made in Japan, but the drill bodies are not. I think I would rather spend the money on German engineering and go with Festool. They are by far the best tools around if the price tag fits in your budget.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:07 AM   #19
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I have only looked at Festool specialty sanders and a vacuum. The pricing is very spendy. So far I have not bought anything from them, but their stuff definitely looks very well made.
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I have a Kit of DeWalt 18V tools w/drill
but for its lighter weight and Li-Ion batteries i have the Panasonic 14.4V set:
http://www.toolup.com/panasonic/eyc1...laid=318020931

I have not seen any Festool drills at a jobsite but that may just be the price.
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:28 AM   #21
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I walk thru the tool section at Lowes and HD and it breaks my heart.

I wanted a new lithium Milwaukee or De Walt. None made here at all.

DeWalt is made in Mexico. Milwaukee made in China.

I have cordless tools up the ying yang. Looks like I use them 'til they die.

My next tool will be Bosch.
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Old 04-18-2009, 10:04 PM   #22
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OK, I think I am going to buy a Festool jigsaw. I will find a thread on that topic and post my findings after I get it and use it.
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I agree with Clover above. I'm just not impressed with the current crop of cordless tools. As long as I can get parts for my old ones, I'll continue to use them.

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Ryan,

I have just completed a full kitchen remodel and I was in the same boat you are in....wondering what to buy. Here's my 2 cents.....after looking at most of the brand names, I bought Makita 18 volt Li-Ion. I bought a kit but please beware there are "great deals" out there that are refurbished. Thats not necessarily a bad thing depending on how you will use them or how you feel about that. I found a great buy on eBay and have used the drill/driver and impact to death in this kitchen. The batteries last a long time, even in the cold garage, and charge back up in a short time. I researched all types of use and also looked at replacement battery price, and that led me to buy Makita. Good luck with a purchase!

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I was disappointed to find out ALL Makita cordless drills are "made in china" now. The parts are all manufactured in China, and then assembled in Georgia. I found this out direct from Makita. The batteries may still be made in Japan, but the drill bodies are not. I think I would rather spend the money on German engineering and go with Festool. They are by far the best tools around if the price tag fits in your budget.
Not ALL makita acordless tools are made in China. Most, if not all the LXT tools are made in Japan. The light green consumer tools are made in China but will hold up fine for the occasional user.
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Not ALL makita acordless tools are made in China. Most, if not all the LXT tools are made in Japan. The light green consumer tools are made in China but will hold up fine for the occasional user.
What homeowner would knowingly buy a tool that wasn't as good as the pros use?

Not any body in my area. I have serviced customer who were so mechaically inept they couldn't swing a hammer.

But you see the tool bench they have more tools than I did. I asked the guy if he thought he'd ever use them, he very honestly answered "NO. I never will. But when I have to hire a contractor I at least get a grudging respect from them because I almost always have a tool they need to finish the job."

May not be able to drive a nail but he's got all the tools.
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I've got to ask the question: What is wrong with tools made in China?

If you get a very poor quality tool with bad workmanship, it is the fault of the parent company (Ridgid, Hitach, makita, B&D, Dewalt, etc), and not the shop in China. China has access to the same machines and materials as German or US companies, and provided the right quality controls are in place, can produce as well as any other factory around the world.

It is the companies move towards making the product at the cheapest cost that is driving them to China, for the cheap labor (or to Mexico). The cheaper the cost, the more they will sell. They just have to walk that fine line between keeping the price down, and keeping their reputation for a quality tool; a company like Dewalt has to ensure their tools are still durable to maintain their reputation as a 'Professional' tool.

Sure, bring out your corded US made tools from 20 or 30 years ago as proof of Americam quality. They are still going strong, and rightfully too. They were over-engineered, and should last a lifetime. Compared to today's tools they were expensive (who brought complete lines of tools in the past) and heavy.
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I've got to ask the question: What is wrong with tools made in China?

If you get a very poor quality tool with bad workmanship, it is the fault of the parent company (Ridgid, Hitach, makita, B&D, Dewalt, etc), and not the shop in China. China has access to the same machines and materials as German or US companies, and provided the right quality controls are in place, can produce as well as any other factory around the world.

It is the companies move towards making the product at the cheapest cost that is driving them to China, for the cheap labor (or to Mexico). The cheaper the cost, the more they will sell. They just have to walk that fine line between keeping the price down, and keeping their reputation for a quality tool; a company like Dewalt has to ensure their tools are still durable to maintain their reputation as a 'Professional' tool.

Sure, bring out your corded US made tools from 20 or 30 years ago as proof of Americam quality. They are still going strong, and rightfully too. They were over-engineered, and should last a lifetime. Compared to today's tools they were expensive (who brought complete lines of tools in the past) and heavy.
We come from a generation when you bought American to keep Americans working.
Tools went over seas not because labor costs were too high in the US, they did so out of corporate greed. Most for the tool mfg were non union so the corp community can not throw that in the faces of the affected workers.

There is no longer the national conscience of manufacturing here because it keeps our economy it's about "How can we squeeze the last penny out of our production costs".

China has no interest in making products of any quality. Take a look at your test meters. There are several diff names but all the meters come from the same factory, they just come in diff colors and diff features.
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I'm pretty sure unions didn't help production costs and competition. It really doesn't matter to me where a product is made...what matters is quality compared to price.
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[quote=joseph.cynthia;263782]I'm pretty sure unions didn't help production costs and competition. It really doesn't matter to me where a product is made...what matters is quality compared to price.[/quote]


Hey 40 watt blub, I said none of those power tool companies were union.
So why are you blaming the the off shore relocation of the tool companies on them?

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