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RyanD 04-07-2009 09:28 AM

Which cordless drill is better?
 
I want a really nice drill/driver that will last and will work in most situations. My current driver is really old and can't handle much and the battery dies quickly. I've a few people recommend these and they look very similar so I'm unsure on which one is better. Any pros/cons to either? Would these drivers work fine for the DIY'er that uses them occasionally or are they overkill? Thanks.

http://www.amazon.com/Makita-BDF452H...pr_product_top

http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2601...m_cr_pr_sims_t

PaliBob 04-07-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanD (Post 256270)
.......Would these drivers work fine for the DIY'er that uses them occasionally....

I think either would be overkill. Go to a store that carries either or both and handle them to see how they feel. They are both excellent tools made for hard heavy duty use. You may be better off with a lighter compact Li-Ion drill/driver with a 3/8" chuck. Here is a review from JLC that has both the hex chucks and the 3/8" chucks. For DIY use the 3/8" chucks are preferable because they work with standard drill bits along with driver bits.
http://www.jlconline.com/cgi-bin/jlconline.storefront/49dc798b1369e8e327170a32100a06c0/UserTemplate/82?c=f5f3276c525081d3e65455f2eb5de536&p=1

The Makita 3/8" chuck Compact did not make it in time for that review:
Makita DF330DW 10.8V Compact Lithium-Ion Cordless 3/8" Driver-Drill Kit
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micromind 04-07-2009 08:02 PM

I have the Milwaukee similar to that one, except the battery is different.

I'm a commercial/industrial electrician; believe me, if any tool can take the use I give it for more than a week, it's not just pretty tough, it's WAY tough!

Seriously, I use my drill alot, though I rarely abuse it. It's several years old, and still in good shape.

One thing to look out for, most manufacturers have several tools that use the same battery. Look around a bit at what you might want in the future, and pick something out of a line of tools. Batteries are the weak point, they actually last longer if they're used more than occasionally. They last longer if they're kept charged too.

Rob

jomama45 04-07-2009 09:01 PM

Honestly, that Makita is extremely compact, maybe too much. Like stated above, check a local store to see which fits you better. I have the Milwaukee 18 volt also, but with the normal battery. I bought it because I have 4 other old 18 volt Milwaukee's that have taken some serios abuse (I'm a mason/concrete contractor w/ several employees who use these tools also) & still keep running. All of there new 18V batteries & tools interchange also, which is huge for us considering we have the saws, sawzall, radios too. I think there the only brand who does this. I finally broke down & bought the lithium about a month ago at a big pro tool place in my area for $159. He said they were making room for a new, M 18 series?, but said Milwaukee will continue to make adaptable batteries in the future, which is a huge selling/buying point for me. Nothing worse than buying the latedt/greatest today only for it to become ancient/unusable in 2-3 years.

Either way, I used them both, I don't think you can go wrong with either.

Gus 04-07-2009 09:14 PM

A 14 volt would probably suffice for occasional use. I have 14.4v makita drill impact set and use it very often for a diy and I have never been disappointed in the performance. I don't ever use the drill for anything but drilling holes so I can't comment on it's driving performance. Both Milwaulkee and Makita make good power tool.

RyanD 04-07-2009 09:21 PM

I'm looking at the kits, they seem to be cheaper and offer more tools. I'm confused though if I would need both of these, is one primarily for drilling and one for screwing(driving)?

http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2691...=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

Highlander 04-08-2009 06:10 AM

That's a great set at a really good price. Use the drill primarily for drilling, and the impact for driving screws and bolts. Once you start using the impact you will never go back to a drill for driving screws. It will seat bolts/screws better, and will not twist your wrist. The drill has a lot more torque than most at 650 in-lbs; should be good for almost anything you want.

You will like the Li batteries too. Keep going strong until they stop (no slow down). It's very un-nerving the first couple of times it happens, but you get used to it.

No one really knows how long Li batteries will last, and that might be the weakest part of this kit. It looks like they gve a 5 year warranty, so they should be good for that.

joel v. 04-08-2009 06:43 AM

Out of those two I would likely go for the Makita. The Makita on Amazon doesn't look like it has a 3.0 AH battery. Looks more like 1.5AH. The bigger battery is almost twice as big and each charge will allow more use It's odd that I'm telling you to go bigger but you want something that will last longer so here you go. I have no idea why someone would tell you to go 3/8 inch chuck. There is no advantage to it at all. It will only be a disadvantage. If you can swallow the initial cost than you'll be happy you bought the bigger drill. I should also mention that any pro Makita will be made in Japan. If it's made in China it's a consumer tool. http://www.amazon.com/Makita-BHP451-...190345&sr=1-16

RyanD 04-08-2009 08:26 AM

Hmm, why is this combo so cheap? Is there something I'm missing about these tools?

http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2691...9196783&sr=1-1

If you look at the separately or on other sites that's the price for about one of them. I did notice that they are using the special smaller battery(M18) which doesn't work with their other tools but I don't see this as the reason for the low price.

Read reviews on Amazon it seems all cordless tools have the same bad reviews about batteries. Is it hit or miss, should I go with the new Lithum batteries or stick with the old NiCd ones?

Highlander 04-08-2009 09:40 AM

M18 I believe is the new product line designation from Milwaukee which is replacing the old V18 product line. I don't think the M18 and V18 batteries are interchangeable. I think the M18 batteries have a new (improved) chemistry giving them a longer life.

The M18 being the new line, is the one to go for.

The batteries in this kit are the smaller 'compact' batteries. If you are only going to be using them for the drill and impact, I think you will find them more than adequate, and probably get a days work out of a full battery on each tool (obviously it depends on how hard you work the tools).

The advantages of the smaller batteries are lighter weight, able to get the tool into smaller spaces, and quicker to recharge.

If you get additional tools in the M18 line (I don't know what is available), such as a saw, you might find these batteries do not produce very good run times; maybe 5 to 10 minutes with a circular or reciprocating saw.

Personally, I think this is a real deal. If I didn't already have a couple of good drills and impacts, I would think about ordering a kit myself.

RyanD 04-08-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlander (Post 256844)
M18 I believe is the new product line designation from Milwaukee which is replacing the old V18 product line. I don't think the M18 and V18 batteries are interchangeable. I think the M18 batteries have a new (improved) chemistry giving them a longer life.

The M18 being the new line, is the one to go for.

The batteries in this kit are the smaller 'compact' batteries. If you are only going to be using them for the drill and impact, I think you will find them more than adequate, and probably get a days work out of a full battery on each tool (obviously it depends on how hard you work the tools).

The advantages of the smaller batteries are lighter weight, able to get the tool into smaller spaces, and quicker to recharge.

If you get additional tools in the M18 line (I don't know what is available), such as a saw, you might find these batteries do not produce very good run times; maybe 5 to 10 minutes with a circular or reciprocating saw.

Personally, I think this is a real deal. If I didn't already have a couple of good drills and impacts, I would think about ordering a kit myself.

Yeah, it seems like a great deal that's why I'm worried. :huh: I plan on only having cordless drills, everything else like saws I feel are best corded so I'm not worried about the batteries working in other devices.

clintb 04-08-2009 10:22 AM

I'm loving the Milwaukee M18 tools; they all just feel right in my hands. Very good balance, excellent grip material placed well. My wife purchased the following set for me, Christmas '08 (great present!).
http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2690...9202537&sr=8-3

I've been using everything in the kit during a full kitchen remodel and really appreciate each tool in the kit. The only weak point is the flashlight. Why couldn't they have used a good LED in there? Oh well, I have tons of great flashlights, so no biggie.

As to your question about the drill / driver and impact kit; GO FOR IT! The compact driver, with compact battery will be great for most of your normal needs. The impact will take care of the rest. Watch out though, the impact will break screws in a hurry if you just let it rip. It'll drive a drywall screw clean through 2x material in nothing flat. :eek: It's really meant for larger fasteners, but will sure help out with a wood auger. :thumbsup:

Also, to note, the Milwaukee 12v stuff is super handy and can be more convenient than the 18v tools most of the time.

Highlander 04-08-2009 01:09 PM

The impact can be a beast. The first couple of times I used one I had problems, but after I that I got used to it. I have no problems with using one for drywall screws. I don't pull it out for small screws (like cabinet screws), because I think it has too much power, but I use it for just about any other fastener.

I have both Li and NiCd batteries. I prefer to use the Li batteries because they don't slowly run down. Apart from the question over their 'life', Li seems to have the NiCd batteries beat. Some will say NiCd batteries don't last long, and therefore if the Li batteries only last 2 to 4 years, there is no difference. My personal experience; I have 12 NiCd batteries (4 different types) and all are still working. The oldest pair are now over 15 years old (circa 1992). The only battery out of all of them that seems to have a problem is one from this oldest pair, which seems to be losing charge quicker than all the rest while sitting on the shelf.

I have not experienced it, but I have heard Li batteries do not work well if allowed to get cold and then used.

micromind 04-08-2009 07:05 PM

I can personally attest to the fact that the Li batteries are horrible when cold. Far less capacity then a NiCd. They start suffering at about 40 degrees, then get much worse.

When they're warm though, they are considerably better than NiCd.

Rob

RyanD 04-08-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by micromind (Post 257097)
I can personally attest to the fact that the Li batteries are horrible when cold. Far less capacity then a NiCd. They start suffering at about 40 degrees, then get much worse.

When they're warm though, they are considerably better than NiCd.

Rob

So, as long as I can don't use them in the cold for a long period of time(which I can't imagine doing) then they work well?

Looking around that set seems to range from $200 to $250 so it looks like a standard deal. Great deal so I think I'm going to tac it onto my "New House Wishlist" on amazon. :whistling2:


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