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Old 11-02-2010, 02:00 PM   #1
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OK, we have a contractor coming in to replace OLD 60's single pane aluminum windows with storm windows. The phrase I heard from home inspector was "They weren't worth **** the day after they were put in"!
Anyway, we have the option of Double Hung, boring and do NOT look right in 2 front windows, (they are wider than they are tall and look stupid, neighbors have them) casement, which we have been told are the best, and sliders which is basically what we have tentatively ordered. (Measurements have not been taken yet).

My question is what would be the best window as far as preformance? Letting are in, keeping cold out, keeping heat in, etc.

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Are you sure that you are getting storm windows? They typically don't replace anything, nor are they available as casements... If you are looking at replacement windows, then here is the rundown: Casements are the most expensive and do seal the best. That being said, they do have some limitations such as the most "moving parts" susceptible to problems. A wide open casements on a windy or rainy day is typically not the best, and if they are in the first floor, the can be a hazard to whoever is working outside around the house. I have more than on scar on my head from such a scenario.... Dh's and Sliders generally perform about the same. They are just switched based on the size/configuration of the opening. Standard sliders do not tilt in for cleaning, and tilt-in sliders are known for service issues. All that being said, ultimately you should choose based on which style you like better in terms of look and function. The performance difference between the 3 will be very minimal.
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Are you sure that you are getting storm windows? They typically don't replace anything, nor are they available as casements... If you are looking at replacement windows, then here is the rundown: Casements are the most expensive and do seal the best. That being said, they do have some limitations such as the most "moving parts" susceptible to problems. A wide open casements on a windy or rainy day is typically not the best, and if they are in the first floor, the can be a hazard to whoever is working outside around the house. I have more than on scar on my head from such a scenario.... Dh's and Sliders generally perform about the same. They are just switched based on the size/configuration of the opening. Standard sliders do not tilt in for cleaning, and tilt-in sliders are known for service issues. All that being said, ultimately you should choose based on which style you like better in terms of look and function. The performance difference between the 3 will be very minimal.
NOT getting storm windows, have storm windows with the old windows going to be replaced.
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More importantly make sure you get a new window, not just cheapo insert windows that are sealed with silicone.

People in the development we are working in now had a company come through and install a bunch of inserts in the units. They were set in the opening and caulked inside and out. The one we are doing, we took siding down, house wrap, taped, flashed, azek lineals, foam insulated, new oak jambs and oak casings. They wonder why ours performs and looks so much better.
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More importantly make sure you get a new window, not just cheapo insert windows that are sealed with silicone.

People in the development we are working in now had a company come through and install a bunch of inserts in the units. They were set in the opening and caulked inside and out. The one we are doing, we took siding down, house wrap, taped, flashed, azek lineals, foam insulated, new oak jambs and oak casings. They wonder why ours performs and looks so much better.
A properly installed insert in a home that has no water management issues will perform the same as a full-tear out and cost hundreds less per window. It does however involve more than "drop and caulk". Sure a full tear-out is ideal, but many times not necessary or worth the extra cost. The installation you described sounds very nice and I'm sure that it does look beautiful, it just isn't necessary on every home, nor does it fit everyone's budget.
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Not to mention on a lot of older homes people want to maintain the look of there sills and trim.

You would lose that if you installed them as you would in new construction.
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A properly installed insert in a home that has no water management issues will perform the same as a full-tear out and cost hundreds less per window. It does however involve more than "drop and caulk". Sure a full tear-out is ideal, but many times not necessary or worth the extra cost. The installation you described sounds very nice and I'm sure that it does look beautiful, it just isn't necessary on every home, nor does it fit everyone's budget.
I see your point and you are right. Not every home is the same scenario though. Around here, anything older than 5-6 years has no house wrap and no flashing on the windows. This HAS to be done to get a watertight wall. I show every homeowner the proof on the wall. There are very noticeable stains on the sheathing from leaks.

There is good and bad with any install. Most of the "window installers" running around selling replacement windows, are simply putting in a $100 window and caulking the perimeter. I'm sure you could find some installers on the other site. One guy said he was getting $35 a window labor and pumping out a house a day just to make payroll.

IMO, you can't get a watertight wall with insert windows.
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Not to mention on a lot of older homes people want to maintain the look of there sills and trim.

You would lose that if you installed them as you would in new construction.
Anything can be retained. I was just stating what a very good install should be.
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