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Old 12-26-2012, 07:02 PM   #31
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:08 PM   #32
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ok so let me elaborate on my last post. first, i dont know if you noticed that i actually thanked you for your post and advice last time. 2nd, water was coming in so i only had 2minutes literraly to make my post today. 3rd, where did i ever say i wasnt listening to advice.

but since you dont really know the whole story anyway its best i dont listen to advice.

if anyone else would like to chime in please do so i am all ears.
Hopefully this will clear up with the dryer weather coming up.

Feel free to PM me and if I am in town, I will stop by and lend and eye and some suggestions.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:07 PM   #33
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May I suggest you get a new pump into the well before you do anything else?

DC has some low areas with a high water table---ground water---if that is the case no amount of grading is going to stop that well from filling----you don't get deep freezing there very often so the external pump should be safe---

Most modern houses have drain piping running around the outside of the foundation---leading into a pit inside the house.

I'm guessing your home is older and does not have that nice feature---so the well will gather water---with no where to go---except into the window.

So replace the pump($) or dig around the footings and add a drain to an inside pit--($$$$$)

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mike! thanks for stopping by.
so yea there was a old pump in the window-not sure if you can see from the pics.

so long story short-i wake up today around 11. relax for a little go down to check window. water is coming up fast! i start using the 6gal vac and sucking water up, and do this for over 2hrs straight, with no break! my back is killing me now. finally my brother comes home early and we try to take the old pump out to put in new one. the problem was the water kept rising so we had to keep sucking. finally we said f*ck it and tossed the new pump into the window. voila! but our pvc pipe did not have elbow so water was shooting up then coming back in haha!

so we had to go out cut the pvc pipe, fit an elbow, and then we finally got it under control. the only issue left is to take the old pump out. it was stuck real good in the mud. after forever, we finally pry it out, and now the new sump is working fine. WHAT A DAY!

we basically worked non stop for over 5hrs to get to where we are now. exhausted.

but yes our home is like 1950 so we dont have the drain coming in. we might take the advice and put a trench outside to carry water away from foundation. also we are going to try to build a retaining wall because our neighbors house slopes down to our yard at a good steep slope.
pics to come later!
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mike you have been nothing but help. my post was not directed at you at all. it was only for one person. thank you
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:11 PM   #35
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just to add to the mess today-i stepped on a nail yesterday so spent over 3hrs in ER on christmas day, and so i had to do everything with a limp today. NOT FUN i didint even get to fill my prescription until it was all over today.
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Work related injury!!! Workmans comp!

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Work related injury!!! Workmans comp!

Oh, you're the boss--so you get to pay.
yea i wish......the crappy part is since we went to ER they said its about $1000 bill........
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:30 AM   #38
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but since you dont really know the whole story...
True, but what I do know is the thread is over two months old. With no posts indicating effective action was being taken. Meanwhile there was plenty of excellent weather in which something should have been done, and wasn't. Now you're facing winter, with ground freezes and the rest of the complications that come with it. Don't forget just how much meltwater there is when things warm up after a snowfall...

Glad to hear you've finally gotten around to BEGIN addressing the problem. Sorry 'bout the nail.

Check out the TV show "Home Wreckers" on HGTV:
http://www.hgtv.com/homewreckers/show/index.html
It's got some great coverage of what serious problems can develop when important steps aren't taken in a timely manner.

Now, go get the rest of the problem sorted out and DONE.

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mike! thanks for stopping by.
so yea there was a old pump in the window-not sure if you can see from the pics.

so long story short-i wake up today around 11. relax for a little go down to check window. water is coming up fast! i start using the 6gal vac and sucking water up, and do this for over 2hrs straight, with no break! my back is killing me now. finally my brother comes home early and we try to take the old pump out to put in new one. the problem was the water kept rising so we had to keep sucking. finally we said f*ck it and tossed the new pump into the window. voila! but our pvc pipe did not have elbow so water was shooting up then coming back in haha!

so we had to go out cut the pvc pipe, fit an elbow, and then we finally got it under control. the only issue left is to take the old pump out. it was stuck real good in the mud. after forever, we finally pry it out, and now the new sump is working fine. WHAT A DAY!

we basically worked non stop for over 5hrs to get to where we are now. exhausted.

but yes our home is like 1950 so we dont have the drain coming in. we might take the advice and put a trench outside to carry water away from foundation. also we are going to try to build a retaining wall because our neighbors house slopes down to our yard at a good steep slope.
pics to come later!

it seems that you have had quite the time with water invasion. water does not let up when it pours for sure!

one thing you will want to do asap is to make sure no muck is being sucked up into the new pump, that is probably the main cause of failure in the old pump and will start deteriorating the new pump right away if nothing is done about it. clean out old drain field, put in new drain field with some type of dirt barrier if possible.

I stepped on a ring shank galvanized framing nail in the summer while toting a heavy exterior door and stepping down off of a pile of wood,not the most desirable experience with the weight of the door in my hands exacerbating the situation- me and the door dropped to the ground instantly. A few blue words,I yanked the piece of lumber with the nail stuck to my foot off and a limp for a few days it was all better. After seeing your bill at the hospital I'm glad I decided to just limp around until it healed...
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it seems that you have had quite the time with water invasion. water does not let up when it pours for sure!

one thing you will want to do asap is to make sure no muck is being sucked up into the new pump, that is probably the main cause of failure in the old pump and will start deteriorating the new pump right away if nothing is done about it. clean out old drain field, put in new drain field with some type of dirt barrier if possible.

I stepped on a ring shank galvanized framing nail in the summer while toting a heavy exterior door and stepping down off of a pile of wood,not the most desirable experience with the weight of the door in my hands exacerbating the situation- me and the door dropped to the ground instantly. A few blue words,I yanked the piece of lumber with the nail stuck to my foot off and a limp for a few days it was all better. After seeing your bill at the hospital I'm glad I decided to just limp around until it healed...
definitely. water is the worst. it gives you no choice.

wow you had it worse than me and walked it off. i was panicking. i thought this was what being stabbed felt like. yea the bill is going f*ck me in the......
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That picture with the pump outside in the window well is one of the strangest things I've seen here, and that's saying ALOT!!!!!!

Maybe I skipped over the answer as it was asked earlier, but do you have a draintile system of any kind that leads to an interior sump pit???

I've been through similar issues in the past, and rigging together a pump with a 5 gallon bucket sump was never a decent repair........
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That picture with the pump outside in the window well is one of the strangest things I've seen here, and that's saying ALOT!!!!!!

Maybe I skipped over the answer as it was asked earlier, but do you have a draintile system of any kind that leads to an interior sump pit???

I've been through similar issues in the past, and rigging together a pump with a 5 gallon bucket sump was never a decent repair........
yea you are right. it is very strange.

so we have 2 sump pits inside, but its not operational. we are trying to decide on best course of action. our thinking right now is to go outside and lay down a huge sheet of plastic over the yard on top of the soil, and then cover it with clay to prevent it from draining in. because the water is coming in from the saturation, not surface run off
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yea you are right. it is very strange.

so we have 2 sump pits inside, but its not operational. we are trying to decide on best course of action. our thinking right now is to go outside and lay down a huge sheet of plastic over the yard on top of the soil, and then cover it with clay to prevent it from draining in. because the water is coming in from the saturation, not surface run off
But unless you find the source of the water that likely won't do anything at all. You've got to determine WHERE the water is coming from and DEAL with that. Just putting a tarp don't won't do squat if the water is coming in along places outside of the area the tarp would cover (which is pretty likely). If you're not prepared to prevent the water from getting close to the house then your only real option is to dig down along the foundation, put in a better french drain tile system and seal up the foundation, along with dimple cloth on it. This way whatever water gets to the house will flow down to the drain tile and get pumped away from the house. This would likely be a sump pit inside the basement.
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But unless you find the source of the water that likely won't do anything at all. You've got to determine WHERE the water is coming from and DEAL with that. Just putting a tarp don't won't do squat if the water is coming in along places outside of the area the tarp would cover (which is pretty likely). If you're not prepared to prevent the water from getting close to the house then your only real option is to dig down along the foundation, put in a better french drain tile system and seal up the foundation, along with dimple cloth on it. This way whatever water gets to the house will flow down to the drain tile and get pumped away from the house. This would likely be a sump pit inside the basement.
so let me go over this with you:
the source of the water is coming in from the saturation of the soil. as the water seeps down via gravity it eventually comes in through the side of teh window well where it leaks. the yard is sloped in such a way from our neighbor that it runs towards the window well. so by putting a tarp down, it will prevent water from going into teh soil, thus stopping saturation. make sense???

in the future we will implement permananet solution. unless you would like to donate couple $$$$ to us then i will be happy to fix this asap, next week if you like. if i really had $, i may have bought a house in bethesda like you. life sucks for some of us
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anyways, update for you guys! again, i really appreciate most of you guys coming here and taking the time to take a look and offer input. i feel like such a part of community here. thank you. now money is a constant issue, so here is our solution until say april 2013.

so as i stated, water was seeping in through crack in window well from over saturation in the soil. so we decided for now to cover up the soil, thus preventing water from even seeping into the soil in the future,hopefully preventing any more leaks. in addition, we installed sump pump as a back up.

some pictures as promised!

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