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Old 04-13-2005, 11:58 PM   #1
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ok, i did a google search and came across the contractor site about deck nailing vs screws... I went to register to the site because it seemed really cool. I am building some things and thought this would be a good forum place to do some research and talk to other people doing it.

HOWEVER, when signing up i came across the "if you're not a "pro" contractor then don't sign up here and go to our "other" diyrepair site and sign up there....

HMMMm, there are a few things wrong with this thought process.... you are trying to segregate the people who know how with only people that know how. and the people who don't, with the other people who don't know what their doing.

intergration, intergration intergration, inter....<<<< you get it. combine the both... who cares if you are pro or not, most people know a lot what to do and not neccesirially (spelling) a pro or a contractor might have a lot to add, but to where the pro site or this alternative one. I just thinknk this site needs traffic first and then worry about segregation later.

just a thought and please let me know and others as well...

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Old 04-14-2005, 10:45 AM   #2
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I noticed this too. Here's my take on it.

I see some of the Pros come over here with some good posts. My questions have been answered pretty quickly (within one day). I'm a member of other forums (car related) where responses come within minutes. However, those forums have been around longer, so they've had time to mature. Not sure when this forum was started though, but it looks pretty new.

On the contractor site, I don't remember if I read the "if you're not a "pro" contractor then..." or just got the sense that I shouldn't register there...so I didn't register there.

I'm guessing that the owners and moderators felt it would be better to seperate the two from the ground up. Also, from the backend (servers,s/w,etc.), maybe it's easier to do it this way ? :confused:

I'm sure the owners & moderators will chime in here.

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Old 04-14-2005, 08:21 PM   #3
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A good number of us "pros" from the contractor site come here to answer qeustions. I believe the owner's intent is to have a place for the DIY type to come for guidance on their projects, and a seperate place for contractors to mingle with their fellow tradesmen, being a bit more "loose" than perhaps the average public would expect from professionals.

Rather than having a private forum for pros only, that site is more or less open to the public but with one forum on the menu being a link here for non-contractors. Occasionally you can get an answer here but this is the best place for a DIY'er to get help with whatever they're doing.

I definately think it is not the intent of our host to segregate those who know from those who don't. I think it's just to allow places for everone.

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Don says it pretty well. We try to come here and helpout the DIYers as much as we mingle between ourselves at the other forum. It is nice to be able to shoot the s_-t there with others that go through the day to day work side of it.
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Couldn't have said it any better. Yes this site is new, but growing by handfuls everyday! Getting answers within minutes, well that might be a stretch, but definitely within a day.
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While one side of me wants to skip the waiting and post over there I understand that, among other reasons, the trades there probably don't want to explain and translate every shorthand and jargon used in a post that DIYers don't understand. I'd lose patience with doing that myself
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HMMMm, there are a few things wrong with this thought process...... who cares if you are pro or not,
Count me as one who cares. Nothing like the pleaseure of offering free, informed advice to DIY'ers like yourself. The only thing better would be to have the chance to work for you.

One of the benefits that this site offers you is that contractors typically put on their best manners here. Your not likely to be afforded the same courtesy at the other site as the expectation amongst posters is that they're corresponding with people who a.) have the trade expertise and experience required to offer something of benefit to the forum from time to time and b.) aren't just looking for some info to otherwise avoid hiring a contractor.

If you want fast answers to technical questions, go pay someone for them. Otherwise, post your questions and you'll no doubt get some reasonably prompt feedback from a good group of both pros and non-pros. Enjoy.
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I started to post on this thread last night, and thought better of it, but I'm pretty much of the same mind as Pipeguy. The site owner's intent was not to keep layman, novices, (whatever term you want to use) out of the discussions on the pro side, but rather to give the pros a place where they can occassionaly vent and to discuss subjects outside their scope of expertise. Like a roofer asking a landscaping question or a drywaller asking an electrical code question. Segregation isn't the purpose, although I worked for many of customer over the years that was in desperate need of acquiring contractor friendly skills, for lack of a better term.

For instance, you call in a roofer because you need a new roof, but you don't want to tear-off the roof, just an overlay job. Roofer arrives and sees you've already got 2 layers of asphalt shingles over shakes, you must have it tore off. This isn't what you want to hear, but it's the way it should be done! Now there are hacks out there that will go ahead & overlay that roof, but this isn't really in the customer's best interest, because that new roof won't last nearly as long, the manufacturer's warranty will be voided since it wasn't installed according to specs. Not to mention the possiblity of doing serios damage to the roof structure from overloading, creating a potentially dangerous situation.

You probably won't get a response within minutes here, most of us that do this run a successful business in our own communities and we do this in our spare time. But certainly within a day usually.

But Pipe is right in many cases I think about folks comingto sites like this because they don't want to pay a contractor. ON the one hand it could be argued that we as contractor's are cutting our own throats, giving away free advice, this would true more so of those located in metro areas than the rural areas of the country.

Myself I look at answering diyer questions as a form of giving back to the community. My new website will have diyer FAQs page to answer the most commonly asked basic questions. Personally I think making your potential clients more informed as to the nuts & bolts of the trade, makes them better able to judge the value of the services we offer and thus hopefully make them want to hire me. This is the best possible client/contractor relationship, one of mutual respect and trust.

My .02, I'll let this stay open for a few more days, but I think we've pretty well put this to bed now. Do avail yourself of our expertise freely given in the spirit in which it's intended. As a public service.
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Old 04-15-2005, 07:29 PM   #10
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The DIY site has been here for a while but few were using it, everybody flocked to the contractors site thinking that they would get better info.

The other problem was that DIYer's tend to have recurring problems like how to change the wax ring or valve on a toilet. Having recurring small problems on the contractors site does not fit into that sites purpose. It was decided to direct DIYer's here.
This site is young and every effort is being made by the contractors to round it out. We are working on the How-To forums to save everybody's time without having to ask questions.

The same 'pro's' that are there also visit here to help with problems.

Stay with us, this is a work in progress backed by some highly skilled professionals.
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Bottom line... ContractorTalk.com is a business forum and DIYRepair.com is a home improvement forum. They may look the same but they are very different.
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Housedoc you said it perfectly in regards to the timely manner in which posts are answered. I'm up at 5am getting paper work in order lining everything up for the day, 7am til 5pm (for now) is feild work, maybe 5:30 I have time for dinner most times not, then it's off estimateing for the next 2hrs. Come home at 7-8pm depending on scope of work I'm bidding and do more paper work, usually call it a night about 11pm on a typical Mon-Fri and try to get into these places when I have some free time or in between brain rest breaks in the paper work....which is waay worse than any job I've done to date!!!
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IHI, welcome to most of our worlds. EXCEPT for that 5 AM stuff. I'm a nightowl and have no problem staying up until 2 or 3 AM. The majority of my customers don't want to be bothered or don't open prior to 9. So I usually get up around 7 to face the day. 4 hrs sleep works for me. I'm working on reducing that. If I could work 24 hrs. straight..............................
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As a member of both forums I will answer this honestly.

We contractors prefer to have a refuge to discuss our issues away from home owners. It is not our goal at the contractor talk site to answer home owner's questions. We come here to do that. If we allowed people to ask DIY questions the site would be follded with DIY questions, and we pros would get bored.

Just read what Don said above in post #3. We had long debates about the subject before the actual segregation of the sites, which is a pretty recent move.

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