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Old 12-17-2013, 08:39 AM   #16
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This reminds me of an old farmhouse I rented years ago. The previous tenants had a waterbed in one of the bedrooms. In that room, the floor on one side was about 4 inches lower than the other side of the room. The floor was bouncy too.

Looking back, I'm curious as to why it didn't collapse.

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Years ago my buddy bought a house cheap that had been built by a builder for his own home after he built dozens of other homes in a development.
For some strange reason he tried to build a cantilevered platform in the master bedroom for a hot tub on a second floor. Sitting in the tub you would be over looking the bedroom on the inside. Sort of like a loft.
When I showed up to check out his new house there was a hot tub cut up in pieces sitting beside the house under a window.
Come to find out when he started filling it the over hanging part started falling and the tub slid all the way to the edge.
He was so mad at himself he cut it up with a chainsaw and tossed it out the window then sold the house at a loss.
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If it surprises you guys that ther'es a hot tub forum, you'd be amazed at the rest of the Internet.

I feel l ike every time I search for help with some new product or something, I discover there's a whole community devoted to said product and taking it to an absurd degree.

Example : bought my girlfriend a hammock for her birthday. Googled for some tips on hanging it. Found TWO different active hammock forums out there. Active, as in daily posts from people talknig about hammock... strategy? I guess? I don't honestly know. Crazy world, this Internet is.
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there is water treatment involved with a hot tub just like a swimming pool so people will want to discuss that. along with "socializing" or whatever else people do in them
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I have seen some licensed contractors who did a far worse job than some DIYers.
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This reminds me of an old farmhouse I rented years ago. The previous tenants had a waterbed in one of the bedrooms. In that room, the floor on one side was about 4 inches lower than the other side of the room. The floor was bouncy too.

Looking back, I'm curious as to why it didn't collapse.
Probably because the house settled the 4" and caused the sag. The bounce most likely came from lumber that was smaller in dimension than we use today but was probably still strong enough to hold the weight. Bounce/deflection is actually OK. When things stop deflecting is when they break.

My old king size waterbed with water weighed in at 2000 lbs. We had it on a second floor that was 2 x 8 construction on 16" centers and 13' long. Granted, that was real 2 x 8 dimensions as the house was built in 1904. Never had a problem with bounce or sag. Everyone told us we were nuts to put that bed up there. (it was there for 10 years) We figured it was directly over at least 5 floor joists. Not figuring in the transferred load to the adjacent joists that would put the load on each one at 400 lbs. A friend of mine, who fancied himself as an expert on all things swore it would fail someday. I posed this to him. I asked him what he thought would happen if I had 10 200lb guys go up in that room and all stand in the center. He figured that would not cause a problem. I gave him all of the info he needed to figure the weight on the bed and told him to figure it out.

Heck, I have had twice that many people in my kitchen at one time on a 14' span with standard 2 x 10's

when we moved, I did some measurements. I measured the floor to ceiling distance in each corner (for reference) and a distance in the center of the room with the bed full. I then drained the bed and after everything was out of the room I did the center again. 1/8" difference was all I got. Granted, after 10 years there was probably some set to the floor from the weight. However, the difference average from the corners to the center was only about 1/4".
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I'm on a hot tub forum and someone just stuck this up. EEKS! That's going to be an expensive repair. Fortunately the propane tank was there to save the day!

That is not a DYI fiasco that is more likely the results some one who went on line to ask if you can do that and what are the load calcs for his deck. we see it all the time here. when a gallon of water weighs 8.34 pound and that hot tub filled with 700 gallons total weight is over two tons well over 5,000 pounds.
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The deck may have been fine but it doesn't look like it was built to support a hot tub. Someone may have come up with that brilliant plan after the fact.
More like this. I bet the person was on a forum and asked what would be the load rating for my deck? I have 4x8 beams supported by 4x4 treated posts wil that be enough for a heavy load? in which he will have all the internet experts come out of the wood work. To give him all sorts of advice. were as some people like me give a snarky reply to him like hire a structural engineer so you can be safe. Were as the OP uses the advice of a compleat and udder stranger and places said hot tub on said deck, That is what it looks like happened there.
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there is water treatment involved with a hot tub just like a swimming pool so people will want to discuss that. along with "socializing" or whatever else people do in them
Hot tubs themselves can actually be a bit complex with the various proving switches, double and sometimes triple pumps, heating systems, control panels, jet problems, blower problems, filter problems, ozone systems, salt water chlorination systems, lighting, insulation, size, weight, local laws, NEC laws, freezing temps, ice control, types of covers, towel warming systems..... and then there are the leaks. Some of these tubs have over 100 jets and 100's of feet of air and water tubing underneath them.

Swimming pools are pretty easy to chemically treat and care for. Hot tubs on the other hand operate at optimum bacteria growing temperatures and aerate/move high volumes of water at high speeds and therefore needs to be perfectly clean or it will foam like crazy.

When all is said and done... there's probably a heck of a lot more time to "socialize" in the HVAC forum.
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That is not a DYI fiasco that is more likely the results some one who went on line to ask if you can do that and what are the load calcs for his deck. we see it all the time here. when a gallon of water weighs 8.34 pound and that hot tub filled with 700 gallons total weight is over two tons well over 5,000 pounds.
And then there is another 800 to 1000 pounds for the tub itself, but load calcs for the deck itself is only a part of it. With that much weight, even the placement on the deck becomes an issue. Place it in the middle and spread the weight evenly or place it closer to the house so most of it is on the rim joist....

I'm just amazed someone stuck it up there at all. You can easily see just from the pic that this deck was not designed for that!
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Judging by how the roof is overhung, I would guess that the deck was original to the house. (However, I don't see diagonal bracing on the posts, which I would normally expect from a pro. Some areas are not so picky on code.)
Putting the hot tub up on that deck was, however, most likely a DIY project, and obviously a bad idea. You gotta figure the hot tub retailer would know enough not to install it up there without a report from a structural engineer saying the deck can support it. The retailer knows (or should know) the risks involved, and knows he is likely to get sued if there is a problem.
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Bob Sanders, what is a good hot tub forum in your opinion? I would like to get one someday.
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There are quite a few but personally I like whatsthebest-hottub.com
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I worked on a house once that had a hot tub in the basement. The DIYer finished off everything and then realized he had not made a provision to get the old water out, no drain.

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