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Old 03-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #76
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Why would anyone care what a contractor makes per hour?

I never hired a contractor on an hourly basis.

We agree on the scope of the project and the price. That's it. Everything else is irrelevant to me. I don't need to know about his overhead, material cost or how many mouths he have to feed. I assume a contractor will have all that factored in in the final price he gives me.

If he makes good money, then good for him. As long as I pay a fair price for the work, then I'm happy.

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Old 03-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #77
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I still don't get where you come up with your number. The general consensus at the other forum was 16-18 hours for the project.
I broke it down - you must have missed that post. I'd like to see them do the same, or anyone here. People are saying things like "it takes time to walk around." Fine, include walking time into your calculation of the time it takes to frame a 30" x 8' wall and all the other steps and lets see how you can make it add up to 16 hours.

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You say it would take yourself a week to complete the project. Yet, you think a handyman is going to build the closet in a fraction of the time, about 4 hours or so???
If he's experienced in drywall and uses the fast setting mud and breaks for lunch while it dries without charging me for his lunch hour. Maybe 5, 6, or 7 hours even, but not 16-18.

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And for the record, I could charge $40/hr, and survive.
Of course you could. People here are talking like you have to be an incompetent tax evader to do that.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:36 PM   #78
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I broke it down - you must have missed that post. I'd like to see them do the same, or anyone here. People are saying things like "it takes time to walk around." Fine, include walking time into your calculation of the time it takes to frame a 30" x 8' wall and all the other steps and lets see how you can make it add up to 16 hours.


Your "breakdown" was merely several guesses, it wasn't realistic.

If he's experienced in drywall and uses the fast setting mud and breaks for lunch while it dries without charging me for his lunch hour. Maybe 5, 6, or 7 hours even, but not 16-18.

You realize drywall requires 4-5 coats, correct? And that 20 minute mud isn't ready to be sanded and re-coated in 20 minutes, correct?

Of course you could. People here are talking like you have to be an incompetent tax evader to do that.
Maybe not a tax evader, but certainly not intelligent either. If you have the oppurtunity to consistently make $60.00 an hour, why would you settle for $40? When was the last time you negotiated your salary down with your employer? It's obvious, you never have, because you want to make as much as possible, no different than most contractors............
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If you have the oppurtunity to consistently make $60.00 an hour, why would you settle for $40?
You wouldn't. But if someone better is doing it for $60, you may have to, and I heard $40 is what handymen are charging, so I don't know why this is even an issue.

I don't think drywall takes 4-5 coats.
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I understand what a side job is. There are people who work side jobs who just post a notice and wait for calls so it takes no significant time or money and they don't fail due to too little work and can save people money.

And they have no insurance. And since it isn't their full time job/way to make money, they cn get a way with charging labor rates only.

But a couple of hours per week doing bookkeeping and returning calls is probably all it takes to be full time especially once there's word of mouth about your work. At $40/hr that's only an $80/week cost of doing business.

ROFL, you have no idea how to run a business by that statement.




I used to do freelance work and I'll get back to it eventually but I never set prices.

So you didn't make enough money to keep being a freelance. I'm surprised.


I don't remember who investigated. I just remember the majority of repair places doing things like filling up an already full freon reservoir causing freon to spill onto the floor.
Freon reservoir? There is no such thing.

I have seen those shows. they already know that the companies they are going to call, have had complaints filed against them. So when they say the majority. They're setting you up to believe a false report.
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Freon reservoir? There is no such thing.
OK, I looked it up for you. Condenser.

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I have seen those shows. they already know that the companies they are going to call, have had complaints filed against them. So when they say the majority. They're setting you up to believe a false report.
I don't know how you can assume that. I doubt that's true. To say a certain percentage of AC repair companies (it was in NY City) rip people off when they only investigated those with complaints against them is itself fraudulent.
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Why would anyone care what a contractor makes per hour?

I never hired a contractor on an hourly basis.

We agree on the scope of the project and the price. That's it. Everything else is irrelevant to me. I don't need to know about his overhead, material cost or how many mouths he have to feed. I assume a contractor will have all that factored in in the final price he gives me.

If he makes good money, then good for him. As long as I pay a fair price for the work, then I'm happy.
And that's the way it should be...Here's my proposal, take it or leave it. It's pretty simple really and is the way it's always been done.

When I show up for the first meeting with a new potential customer, believe me, I'm sizing them up as much or more then they are me. Beyond the money thing I'm trying to figure out if they will be a pleasure to work for a just be a PITA. If I sense the latter then I'll either say no thanks or just bid myself out of the job, depending.....

I'd much rather be at home working on my own stuff than deal with a high maintenance customer that's micro analyzing my every move.
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Why would anyone care what a contractor makes per hour?

I never hired a contractor on an hourly basis.

We agree on the scope of the project and the price. That's it. Everything else is irrelevant to me. I don't need to know about his overhead, material cost or how many mouths he have to feed. I assume a contractor will have all that factored in in the final price he gives me.

If he makes good money, then good for him. As long as I pay a fair price for the work, then I'm happy.
Great post!

I need my house sided.
What options do I have, how much does each cost, and how long will it take, do you have insurance and references.

That should be what I would be concerned with.

If I think the price and quality are fair and what I'm looking for, I could care less that you are making $50 an hour or $150 and hour.
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So when they say the majority. They're setting you up to believe a false report.
FWIW, I found a similar report. In a hidden-camera investigation, 6 out of 6 tried to charge for unnecessary work. Senior Vice Chair of the Air Conditioning Contractors of America helped with the investigation.
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OK, I looked it up for you. Condenser.

An over charged unit won't spill freon(thats just a trade name) out on the floor. A contractor could intentionally vent it out.



I don't know how you can assume that. I doubt that's true. To say a certain percentage of AC repair companies (it was in NY City) rip people off when they only investigated those with complaints against them is itself fraudulent.
A. Just like on the internet, not every thing you see on TV is true.

B. Because I have seen those shows. And they don't pic companies randomly. One of those shows out west. Later had an article that said they had given the lady calling the companies was given a list to call. Even though the show showed her looking in the phone book.

Those stings have been done across the country, pretty much all done the same way.
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FWIW, I found a similar report. In a hidden-camera investigation, 6 out of 6 tried to charge for unnecessary work. Senior Vice Chair of the Air Conditioning Contractors of America helped with the investigation.
Yep, and when he found out those companies weren't picked randomly as he was told they would be. He left the station know it wasn't an accurate sampling.

The odds of 6 dishonest companies out of 6 companies called. Is about as probable as guessing the wrong color card 52 times out of 52 tries with a deck of regular playing cards.

It was a show to get ratings. And that is all it really was.

Oh, and by the way. Top left corner of the electrical compartment of that Rheem condenser, there is a small black rectangular box. Which looks very much like a time delay relay. And is in the position where a time delay relay would be on that unit. And Rossen said it doesn't have one in it. Hmm, strange. Perhaps Rossen doesn't know what is in that unit to be telling people what isn't in it.
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On another forum. One of the members was called on a truly random sting/check. He found the problem right a way. Fixed it, and informed the lady of what was wrong and presented his bill. He was paid and informed that it was a sting operation. He was congratulated on his honesty. And when the show aired. He wasn't shown. They did say at the end of the show, that 3 contractors fixed the problem only, and didn't try to add on extra charges. Took them about 10 seconds to say that. Gee, wonder why honesty wasn't worth air time. Guess because it doesn't increase the ratings so they can charge their sponsors more money.
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But a couple of hours per week doing bookkeeping and returning calls is probably all it takes to be full time especially once there's word of mouth about your work. At $40/hr that's only an $80/week cost of doing business.
You have got to be kidding, you for sure haven't done construction full time or you had someone running interference for you, thinking like this. Try 6AM-10PM most times.
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You have got to be kidding, you for sure haven't done construction full time or you had someone running interference for you, thinking like this. Try 6AM-10PM most times.
Some will never understand and that's OK. Got to love that Internet.

I know I'll be working Sun. (Easter) for half the day anyway. Kinda cleaning up from last week and getting ready (re-tooling) for a new gig on Mon.

Not really sure who to bill on that day...Well actually, It's my family that pays the price.
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Old sayings become old sayings for a reason. Walk a mile in another's shoes or Don't judge

Which is precisely what the op meant all along. Consider the variables, behave properly when conducting business and respect each others professionalism.

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