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Old 11-13-2011, 08:27 AM   #16
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If we share this knowledge with just one person who decides not to buy that crap, we've done our jobs here.
How long will we allow scammers to continue ripping us off? I see ads on TV every day for products that simply DO NOT WORK AT ALL! yet they sell so many to unsuspecting folks, it's worth their time.

I need to go "crystalize" my chest hair now.... brb.....

(what's that nasty smell? It smells like HAIR BURNING! )

Any product that "promises" great results should be researched thoroughly online before making any purchase decisions. Simply add the words "scam" and "ripoff" to the product search to see if it's legit. UNsatisfied customers will let you know. Be wary of too many "great" reviews as they are placed all over too, just to attempt to offset the bad reviews.

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Old 11-13-2011, 08:36 AM   #17
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Behr was (is) a top rated paint according to Consumer's Reports and I've used it for years with good results. I think the issue was the primer. I would have used a primer for drywall as you had skim coated the wall with joint compound.
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Behr is the most expensive $19.96 per gallon paint you will ever buy!
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Behr is not the only paint that will work but it's the one I have that I could afford.

Different paints ( assuming they have an exact mix for their formula) can look exactly the same to you and me but to a camera, they can either absorb or reflect different wavelengths of green red and blue light. These properties are what helps the software to filter out a green screen for video effects.

I did find out Benjamin More's Neon Green can do it but I was hoping to fix this one so I would not have wasted the money. I find it hard to believe Behr's Premium Plus is so bad - if all thier paint is that bad I don't see how they stay in business.. this has to be a fluke for the coverage to be this bad (even if a lot of "pros" on this forum do hate Behr paint this cannot be indicative of all Behr paints all the time.

It was the paint itself as seen by a camera that was tested.



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Behr is the most expensive $19.96 per gallon paint you will ever buy!
Yup! But unfortunately CR puts too much weight on surface price of things and factors that in. So the paint can be crap but because it is cheap, CS ups its rating.

But then, if people do not want to listen to people who do, or did, paint for a living and see CS as some sort of biblical reference? The deserve what they get.
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Yup! But unfortunately CR puts too much weight on surface price of things and factors that in. So the paint can be crap but because it is cheap, CS ups its rating.

But then, if people do not want to listen to people who do, or did, paint for a living and see CS as some sort of biblical reference? The deserve what they get.
That's the stupidest thing I've read today.
Interesting that you seem to know the inner workings of Consumers Reports and how and why they rate things.
Also a pile of crap.
If you get a bad result from the paint, it's due to operator incompetance, not the product.
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How they rate paint is no secret. Found this beyond ironic.

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I won't jump on the Behr bash bandwagan....never had an issue....

But my first thought....did they use the right base? It's not unusual for them to grab the wrong can of base when they go to mix it....easy mistake to make.

I know a lot of people also slam Kilz....but once again, it has worked for me....no issues.
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I know a lot of people also slam Kilz....but once again, it has worked for me....no issues.
Many people use the wrong product for their application and blame the product for not working properly.
Most times, it's operator error.
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Marketing and volume. They sell enough to DIYers that do not know any better to make up the losses they incur by having people complain and return cans of the crap.
SOME people can get *almost* decent results (under ideal conditions) with this garbage, but most pros avoid it like the plague.

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I have only used Bahr paint from Home Depot one time in my sunroom and the covering ability was absolutely horrible. I swore that I would never use Behr paint again, and I have not.

I usually use Sherwin Williams and have been satisfield with SW paint except only one time and that was recently.
I used their WoodScapes Fence semi-transparent stain and sprayed it on 200 feet of wood fence that had not been previously painted. I had to use 14 gallon to do the job and had to paint it 3 coats the last one being with a brush. When you started out it was fine but the farther you went down the fence the lighter the shade became. It acted like the pigment was not right. After buying it to do it the second time, I had the Manager come out and look at it and he said it was fine. Well I told him it was not fine to me or anyone else that looked at the fence. He gave me enough stain to do it the third time. That time I brushed it on and it was fine.

Needless to say I will not use WoodScapes when I repaint it next time.

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I've read the rest of the posts above. It's only an 8x9 area. Anyone know what a quart of BM Neon Green will cost me? Helm paint carries it in my area and they are closed today. Course I could call em tomorrow, but I'm curious. The Aura gallon size is 64 bucks. I could not afford that unless I robbed a bank

Primer. Would I have to re-primer this wall? I hope not, now that I have primer and a coat of paint on it - If I have to buy more paint to fix this, I'm hoping a quart will cover well enough to give me two coats and cover well while not letting the old color bleed through.
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You know, I love Aura but this is not a wall you are going to be washing or anything. I would think about stepping down to the contractor grades of good paint. Super Spec in the Ben Moore line and Pro-Mar at Sherwin Williams---for examples. Only sold in gallons but will be around the same price as a quart of Aura. Cans are not as pretty.

Super Spec (may have been renamed---sort of out of the business and have not bought any in awhile) comes in different sheens but not as many as Aura. Ask for a discount or check someplace like www.couponcabin.com to see if there are running coupons. The contractor grades have more vinyl and less acrylic than the high end. They are still much better paints than Behr and competitive in price.

From experience, as careful as you try to be, you are going to scuff that "green screen" and want an adequate amount for touch ups or to redo it when the UV rays from the studio lights starts to fade it.

Did a green screen for a kids museum and it needed repainting every other day it seemed. Amazing what slimey, destructive little maniacs "The Future Famous" can do when running in a pack. Aura would have been expensive overkill. I have done others for tv stations and video studios. I did a lot of painting for art galleries and we had a problem with lights fading the paint over time in the more permanent galleries and in one space the exhibitions rotated so walls had to be painted or touched up every month. The client wanted to use Pro-Mar and it worked well and is equally great paint.

You just have to accept they are going to need a coat of paint periodically. I know you are trying to save money but a quart is not going to take you very far.

I would not worry about repriming. Do remember, 3/8 or even 1/2 roller cover.

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I've read the rest of the posts above. It's only an 8x9 area. Anyone know what a quart of BM Neon Green will cost me? Helm paint carries it in my area and they are closed today. Course I could call em tomorrow, but I'm curious. The Aura gallon size is 64 bucks. I could not afford that unless I robbed a bank

Primer. Would I have to re-primer this wall? I hope not, now that I have primer and a coat of paint on it - If I have to buy more paint to fix this, I'm hoping a quart will cover well enough to give me two coats and cover well while not letting the old color bleed through.
I'm a little puzzled...you're using this for video production and testing it with a sophisticated software, yet you can't afford a gallon of decent paint? Get quart of decent paint and be done with it.

And as far as green screen effects go, so long at the color field is consistent you should be fine. That means flat and even. You should be able to key in to the specific color you want to drop out from your video frame by simply sampling the color in software. The reason electric green is used is the simple fact that it is a color you rarely see in the real world...you can drop it all out from a video frame and not drop out part of your foreground subject matter. At least that's how it works in software that I have used.
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how about returning your behr paint for a refund...and start over with benjamin moore....or sherwin williams...you will get a much better JOB...... color match no problem....
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Home Depot will cheerfully refund your money if you tell them you are not satisfied with the outcome of the paint.

I take things back to HD and Lowes all the time. That is why I shop there.
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