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Old 09-10-2013, 10:16 PM   #16
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Wind is really going to effect that screen.
Yeah, but short of it being out during a thunderstorm I wouldn't expect the pull to be more than what a couple of bungie cords could overcome.

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Wind is really going to effect that screen.
No plastic hanger will be able to hold the screen when pulled by a strong gust of wind.
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Yeah, but short of it being out during a thunderstorm I wouldn't expect the pull to be more than what a couple of bungie cords could overcome.
On 4X8 foot screen. A 1 MPH wind exerts 164 pounds of force, as I recall. The bungies will take it, but it could be difficult to watch a movie.

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No plastic hanger will be able to hold the screen when pulled by a strong gust of wind.
Yeah, they would probably snap fairly quick.
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And yet tons of folks enjoy the outdoor movie night experience in spite of all the possible things that can go wrong.
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If the frame around the screen is attached as it looks like, you could possibly use metal closet shelf and pole brackets fastened to the rail with screws or clamps. The frame should go in where the closet pole goes, acting like a hook.
I was thinking of something along the same lines, but I was thinking of three or four pieces of plywood, each 18" wide or so and the height of the rail, with two brackets per board. Secure the brackets to the plywood, and the plywood to the railing.

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I'm thinking your door clothes hanger idea would work just fine. My wife could put 50 pounds of clothes on one of those in a heart beat. Just use 6 or 8 and cut the pounds to 6 or 8 lbs. each.

The problem with the over the door hanger is that it doesn't extend far enough out to clear the lower brackets. It will need to extend at least 8 inches out.


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I was a millwright and hung everything from exit signs to 5000 pound hoppers---

Google Unistrut and see what they have----I guarantee that something simple and strong will be available from that company---

If that fails---a local fabrication shop could weld up something.

Wind is the big concern---so that better be secured well---that is a sail---
I haven't been able to find anything on the Unistrut website. There's tons of products and I have no idea how to search for what I would need. Could you provide a link to the item you had in mind?

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you need an L bracket shape with a hooked turn at the bottom of the long part of the L. hook that to the bottom of the rail lean it out so it flushes up against the rail structure and the short part of the L is that 8" so it hangs out towards the crowd
This sounds like a good idea. Do they make such an L bracket with a hook at the end or would I have to modify one?

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What do the 2 brackets that already protrude from the railing look like? Could you possibly use something hanging from them to hang the frame from? What it hangs from doesn't need to be in the corners of it, just somewhere across the top.
Good idea, but I can't hang the screen that low. The screen is ( feet tall and if I hang it that low, I won't have 9 feet of space above the top of the fence below.

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Y'know, you might be able to get away with using those plastic hangers. But perhaps consider threading a PVC pipe between them, and through-bolt the hangers to it. That'd keep them spaced consistently and add a little bit of rigidity.

There are also metal version of that sort of thing:
http://www.amazon.com/INTERDESIGN-Or.../dp/B00004XSFM


Not sure about using metal conduit for the rest of it, as that's heavier than you might think.
I was concerned with the weight of using metal piping also, but that is what the place that makes these screens uses. They recommend using this conduit as it is stronger than PVC. I'm still considering using PVC instead, but haven't made up my my yet.

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Wind is really going to effect that screen.
There are plenty of people that use these types of screens and as long as it is well supported and braced, it should be fine.

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Yeah, but short of it being out during a thunderstorm I wouldn't expect the pull to be more than what a couple of bungie cords could overcome.
The screen material will be attached the the frame by 54 small 6" ball bungees.

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No plastic hanger will be able to hold the screen when pulled by a strong gust of wind.
Agreed. It will need to be stronger than plastic hangers.

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On 4X8 foot screen. A 1 MPH wind exerts 164 pounds of force, as I recall. The bungies will take it, but it could be difficult to watch a movie.

Yeah, they would probably snap fairly quick.
The 54 bungees will keep the screen very tight to the frame. So many are used to keep the screen tight so the screen isn't waving around during the movie.

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And yet tons of folks enjoy the outdoor movie night experience in spite of all the possible things that can go wrong.
Yes, more and more people are getting into outdoor movie nights using similar screens and I haven't heard any horror stories yet. Fingers crossed...

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I was thinking of something along the same lines, but I was thinking of three or four pieces of plywood, each 18" wide or so and the height of the rail, with two brackets per board. Secure the brackets to the plywood, and the plywood to the railing.
That would probably work fine, but I was hoping for something as simple as a couple hooks to use and take down when not in use.



Still looking for that perfect, easy solution. Maybe there isn't one and I will need to create something. If anyone has any other ideas, please share


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And yet tons of folks enjoy the outdoor movie night experience in spite of all the possible things that can go wrong.
But there not using their railing to support the screen.
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I sure this was mentioned...Just attach the channel vertically from the deck to the top of the rail.

You could use u clamps to attach it. Just be sure to put a buffer where you have metal contacting the railing, the finish on that Fortress railing scratches pretty easy.
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Again, I'll reiterate the suggestion to create something with a local metal fabricator. They could certainly weld together something that would work.

As for bungees, I wasn't speaking of the way the screen is held to it's frame. That was directed toward how the whole bit would be held to where it's being hung. But and important thing to remember is UV exposure, it'll kill any plastics or bungies left out in the sunlight. So make sure whatever you're using gets taken down and put away, not left out all the time. Speaking of which, where are you going to store this when it's not in use?
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I sure this was mentioned...Just attach the channel vertically from the deck to the top of the rail.
No way in Hell I'd use those. They're a hassle to get the brackets seated properly, and then another hassle to get them loose. That and they're not designed for repetitive installation/removal. The metal for them isn't going to hold up over time. I hate using them even for their intended shelving purposes, for this they'd be all wrong.
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I was thinking of something along the same lines, but I was thinking of three or four pieces of plywood, each 18" wide or so and the height of the rail, with two brackets per board. Secure the brackets to the plywood, and the plywood to the railing.
If the plywood was about 2" taller with a hook like the over the door hanger on it they could just be dropped in front of the rail hooking the top of the rail and the bottom would push against the bottom of the rail. When the movie is over lift them up and store them. I mentioned closet shelf brackets because their pole hook is about 12" out. It sounds like you still have to secure the bottom at the same distance as the top, unless tying it to the fence below does that. You only have to secure the plywood to keep it from moving side to side.
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If I lived next door I'd build you 2 ( ten inch or 12 if you like ) wooden corbels that would hook over the rail and be guaranteed to hold a hundred pounds each. The cost would be 2 movie tickets. I'm sure the wife would want to come.
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Again, I'll reiterate the suggestion to create something with a local metal fabricator. They could certainly weld together something that would work.

As for bungees, I wasn't speaking of the way the screen is held to it's frame. That was directed toward how the whole bit would be held to where it's being hung. But and important thing to remember is UV exposure, it'll kill any plastics or bungies left out in the sunlight. So make sure whatever you're using gets taken down and put away, not left out all the time. Speaking of which, where are you going to store this when it's not in use?

It sounds like I might have to have something made up. I was just hoping to avoid this with something simple such as something similar to the hook I posted in the original post.

The frame will disassemble when not in use and be stored in the garage. Once the screen is removed from the frame, that folds up. The frame will come apart so I'll just have some straight pipes and connectors to store.


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If I lived next door I'd build you 2 ( ten inch or 12 if you like ) wooden corbels that would hook over the rail and be guaranteed to hold a hundred pounds each. The cost would be 2 movie tickets. I'm sure the wife would want to come.
Bummer you don't. All neighbors will always be welcome !
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. Get a beam clamp---a section of 1/2" threaded rod 8" long and a matching pipe/conduit clamp---a couple of 2" nuts and you are done----

All of the parts I mentioned are available wherever unistrut is sold---

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