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Ben 02-23-2005 09:45 AM

Tiling a countertop
I have a kitchen counter that is very securely covered in linoleum which is in good condition. I want to replace it with glazed tile. Can I simply rough up the linoleum and install the tile over it or do I need to cover it first with cement board, or should I take it up entirely?

Teetorbilt 02-23-2005 06:12 PM

To get out on the cheap, scuff it with 40-60 grit sandpaper, wipe at least twice with alcohol and set the tile using industrial grade Liquid Nails. Grout and seal as usual. This is permenent! Next time it's a new top.

Mark Lauzon 03-17-2005 06:15 PM

IF you are going to do that make very very sure you do a perfect job calking the sink and any other potential wet areas...any moisture will cause the particle board to swell and you will have a mess on your hands....are you doing this to sell the house?

Mark Lauzon
slab fabricator heaven

Floorwizard 03-17-2005 07:44 PM

Plus keep in mind you may have a perimeter spread vinyl. That will be big time issues.

Plus the vinyl is sorta padded, which is very bad for new tile. Grout cracking and such is going to happen most likely.

Mike Swearingen 03-17-2005 08:41 PM

We have 12"X12" ceramic tiles matching our floor tiles jumped to our kitchen countertops, and they used 1/4" cement board screwed over the old laminate.
I'm not a pro at this, but they are, and I wouldn't do anything that they didn't do.
They are a highly respected carpet-and-tile firm that has been in business many, many years, and do hotels, restaurants, million dollar homes, etc. (not mine, of course...they also do work for us poor
I would highly recommend using the cement board.
Good Luck!

Floorwizard 03-17-2005 08:50 PM

oops, I really need to pay attention.
I thought install on vinyl....whoops..

anyway the advice is the same, the tile is only as good as the substrate, and the lam is only glued down and is prone to seperation if it already hasn't.

housedocs 03-17-2005 10:51 PM

I would recommend peeling the old counter up putting down a layer of 5/8" plywood, then set cbu on top of that in a layer of thinset and screwed off every 6"-8", then lay your tile over that with thinset. Thinset will not bond properly to the linoleum. My .02 for what it's worth.

Teetorbilt 03-17-2005 11:35 PM

housedocs, you sound like one of the old breed, like me. No matter how you cover partical board you're always going to wonder when it is going to swell up. Our only conflict is that I like a min of 3/4" marine cabinet grade ply for countertops and I usually double it.

housedocs 03-18-2005 08:03 AM

Well we are just talking about a countertop and if the cbu is properly set usinga good modified thinset and proper caulking around the sink, you shouldn't ever have a problem with it. I should have added something in there about using a good grade of plywood though.

Teetorbilt 03-18-2005 09:47 PM

housedocs, I'm prepping for my own kitchen remodel, a present to ol'#2. I have been working on this for almost a year and plan on tile countertops. Dad picked up the hand painted tile in Spain back in the 60's and I have been lugging it around ever since.
The reason that I said doubling the base was due to coming home and seeing 2 of my sons friends sitting on the countertop, they must have weighed 250 ea. and, from the looks of the reefer, ate another 5#'s while they were just hanging out. I like to prepare for all contingencies.
Particle board ,the choice of idiots.

LJD 03-18-2005 09:52 PM

Man, Teetorbilt, you seem to know just about everything! I mean, seriously.......where did you go to college?

Teetorbilt 03-18-2005 10:14 PM

Depp jr. my IQ is 147, I was part of a speed reading experiment in the early 50's. At last check, I read 1970 wpm with a 98% comprehension rate. In the amount of time that it takes you to go and see a movie, I can read the book and have a beverage or two waiting for you to get back. I have demonstrated this numerous times. One of my longtime questions is why did they drop that program?
I attended Broward Community, Nova, break for service time, Perdue, A&M and Paisley.

CGofMP 03-19-2005 12:25 AM


Particle board ,the choice of idiots.

Speaking as one who likes to overbuild when finances will allow and a man who has a DEEP dislike for crumble-board I gotta honor that quote.

With your permission... I think I'll add it to my signature for a while.

Benhamcarpetguy 03-19-2005 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Teetorbilt
from the looks of the reefer, ate another 5#'s while they were just hanging out.
Particle board ,the choice of idiots.

Yeah, that reefer makes kids hungry. lol


housedocs 03-19-2005 08:46 AM


That reefer will make kids hungry
Now that is funny Don!

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