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Old 05-30-2013, 02:40 PM   #1
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Hi!

Just moved to London and found a great apartment. It has two shelves that I put some things on but one of them fell down. I noticed that the screws was about 6-7 cm long and was drilled in the wall.

The screws were drilled with no plastic plugs just straight in. The wall is fairly thing but solid.

I'm a 19 year old student here so can't really afford a handy man and the landlord is saying that I need to repair it. I'm not useless so want to know the best way to do it.

The holes look about the same size as they would have been when they were drilled, certainly none are expanded since the shelf fell down.

Should I go to the store and get some plastic plugs and attempt to rescrew it in? I have not ever done this before and just want to know if its possible to screw them back in with the plastic plugs. I dont want to drill any new holes.

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Old 05-30-2013, 02:47 PM   #2
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What's the wall made of? The screws need to go into a stud or use a hollow wall anchor. Those plastic inserts are useless.
7CM is about 2-3/4" long which should have been more then long enough if it was hitting something other then just the wall board.

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When you say stud do you mean like a screw with the end that splits in two? I think I know those. I just need something that can expand as I think it would be stupid to just put the screws back in!
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mollie screw? Just found those on B&Q
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Okej.

When you say stud do you mean like a screw with the end that splits in two? I think I know those. I just need something that can expand as I think it would be stupid to just put the screws back in!
The stud is the piece of wood that the drywall is attached to. The fundamental framing of the building. If you can screw into that, it will be very secure. They run vertically every 16" or so. You can often find them by knocking on the wall and listening for the difference between a hollow sound and a solid sound.

There are many kinds of drywall anchors. Some are small-ish plastic inserts, some are metal devices that unfold behind the wall and provide a lot of strength. Go to a hardware store and take a look and get what you think will work best. Take a good look at the size of the hole before you go so you buy something that will fit snugly into it and not something too small, but either way drywall anchors are very cheap and easy to use. You might need a screwdriver too.
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If you need to attach something where there's no stud, I quite like the molly screws, yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_(fastener) The catch is, make sure the little anti-rotation tabs are firmly seated before tightening the screw. Once when I tried to use a molly, the tabs just spun and turned the top layer of drywall to powder. At that point no molly will hold in the resulting mess, and you have to go to a toggle bolt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toggle_bolt

A toggle bolt requires a bigger hole but you don't have to worry about the anti-rotation tabs.

But if a stud is available, I'd much rather use a long screw into the stud than anything else.
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Johanna -

It is very possible there are not wood studs in the wall in London. Only the U.S. and Canada use the wood framing concept.

Depending on the age the wall could be the traditional brick masonry with a thick plaster or it could be some sort of a wrinkled tin interior wall stud system. I an surprised that a 6 cm screw did not hit something substantial unless it was between studs.

It is best to ask the landlord what is commonly used and what is acceptable.

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And if it is masonry behind there you will need a masonry bit and you should use masonry anchors.



I would ask your landlord if we would be kind enough to help you out with this since you are new to it and are not sure what wall material you have. You may end up doing more damage then you intend and then both of you will be disappointed.

And we can all forget what things weigh and overload a shelf. You really need to anchor them firmly. I do not agree that plastic anchors are worthless but they and the screws may not have the duty rating for this project depending on what you will put on the shelf.

Right now, to help you, we really need to know what type of walls you have and how big the shelves are. And what you plan to put on them.

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Johanna -

It is very possible there are not wood studs in the wall in London. Only the U.S. and Canada use the wood framing concept.

Depending on the age the wall could be the traditional brick masonry with a thick plaster or it could be some sort of a wrinkled tin interior wall stud system. I an surprised that a 6 cm screw did not hit something substantial unless it was between studs.

It is best to ask the landlord what is commonly used and what is acceptable.

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Bonjour Conretemasonry.,

There are few part in London I know few do use wood stud but not very widespread and few case I have ran into steel stud as well so it will leave some option open.

The exteral walls useally are brick / stone arrangement unless you have recent " new " building then it will be mixed bag of materals.

It is simair situation over here in France as well.

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Yeah it is probably a whole different story in Europe. They have walls that will stop a bullet, for pretty obvious reasons. Fire a rifle at a wall in the US, and it will go through the whole damn house and out the other side. The houses here are built like crap.

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