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Old 04-28-2012, 12:11 PM   #16
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I too am having trouble removing an old door knob. I was able to pop the latch on the inside hand to remove the handle, but I can't figure out how to get the plate off. There appears to be two latches on the side of the plate but I can't get those to budge.
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The outside knob also has a what appears to be a latch, but I can't get that to budge either (but I can see 1 screw in a hole in the plate).

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Any and all help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 04-28-2012, 01:23 PM   #17
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:36 PM   #18
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I too have a door knob with no screws. I have removed the knob and plate from the inside. This does not expose any screws. Instead there are 4 tabs sticking thru 4 slots. One of the tabs had a pin thru it to secure it. I removed the pin with needle nose pliers. But it will still not come apart. I tried pushing the latch in and pulling it out, but it did not help. Using a screw driver, I pushed the 4 tabs into the slots. But the mechanism still does not come apart. There has to be a trick I am missing.

I only have a picture of the inside of the door. I have loosened the plate on the outside, but that does not give much of a view since the knob on the outside cannot be removed like the inside one. Mostly you can just see a large spring that is between the plate and the mechanism. There are no screws on the outer side either (not that I expected any).

I have replaced many door knobs, but I can't figure this one out. Below is a picture from the inside after having removed the knob and plate plus pushing the tabs thru the slots. As you can see, that is mostly all there is. The 4 tabs and slots.

Does anyone have a clue how you remove this kind of lock?
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:13 PM   #19
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Grab a hold and pull. The retainer is already off. The tabs and the pin just held the chassis together. Somebody must have undersized the hole for it to be that tight. If you can't pull it, take a block of wood and a hammer and tap it out from the inside.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:22 PM   #20
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Try one of the other knobs. Someone may have done something that another one will give you a clue to.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:09 PM   #21
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Unfortunately this is the only door in the house that has this kind of lock. All of the other doors have the usual hidden screws.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:05 PM   #22
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Thanks Maintenance 6. Your post didn't show up earlier, so I only just saw it.

I was just thinking today while I was at work that maybe it is catching on the edge of the hole or something. I'm going to try what you say this weekend when I have better light and can look closely at it. Something is tight because even pushing the tabs in required more force than I would have expected.

I'm thinking you must be right. Nothing else seems to make sense.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:52 AM   #23
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Take the screws out of the latchbolt too. That will let the knob chassis move around a little more in case it's caught on a lip inside the crossbore.
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:47 PM   #24
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Looks like the only problem was that things were catching. I wiggled things around so they looked free and then gave it a good yank from the outside and it came out. Thanks Maintenance 6!

I was rather surprised though that the lock portion from the inside actually comes out thru the outside. That seems very strange to me. I am used to the knob and lock button pulling out on the inside of the door. Since this seemed strange to me, I was thinking someone having the same problem in the future might appreciate a couple of pictures of what it looks like once it is out.

The first picture shows a simple round piece of metal. This is what comes out thru the indoor side of the hole. The rest of the lock shown in the other picture comes out just as shown by pulling it thru the outer side of the door. The metal part that goes in thru the inside side of the door fits over the part that sticks out with the turn/button for locking from indoors and slides all the way against the main body of the lock. There are then 4 little tabs that stick thru the 4 holes. The two are held together by putting a pin thru a small hole on one of the tabs. So if you are trying to take out one of these locks, make sure all 4 tabs are clear of pins then go to the outerside of the door and give the knob a good hard yank.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:57 PM   #25
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I have the same knob. After 30 minutes and several sources I have it figured out for the next guy.
First unscrew the collar ring next to both knobs

Second slide collar and rose toward the knob, on one knob you will see a square opening with a wire bisecting it. With a small screw driver, depress the wire wile pulling the knob.

After the knob is off, locate a small L shaped pin an pull it out. This releases the mechanism allowing you to slide the whole thing from the door.
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Stokely - registered just to say thank you! You saved me a lot of aggravation!
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Stokely - I, too joined just to say thanks
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Husk, if you still read here, please tell me which solution worked for you! I have the SAME EXACT doorknobs on my new house. The house was built in the 50s. The doorknobs are unlike most others. Therefore a lot of advice given about removing doorknobs does not apply to these particular knobs. (I have been changing doorknobs and locks for 30+ years.)
Sorry about the long delay I got sidetracked onto other projects. Someone mentioned that it looked like a Sargent lock. They were right. It is a Sargent 8 or 9 Bored lock. The instructions can be downloaded at

http://www.sargentlock.com/documents...=300&cat_id=15

it is doc AS396Y_USA_low.pdf

In the initial picture (see attached picture detail) there is something that looks like a wire in a hole. To removed the knob push down hard on the wire while pulling on the door knob. The wire and metal underneath are a spring loaded locking mechanism. The knob will then pull off. It is all-in-all a very neat design.

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And I just noticed that Stokely gave an even better reply than I did.

Thanks to all

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