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Old 06-02-2014, 01:07 PM   #1
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In general I find DIY'er's to not be lazy people.They like the thrill of doing something on their home there selves and saving a few bucks in the process.That is what it's about.
Lately,not pointing at anyone here specifacally ,I see a lot of people going against good advice,Wanting to buy a half assed tool for cheap to do the job in half the time it would take to do it right without a tool they don't know how to use or need..
I understand the obligations for family and personel time,work and all that but I don't understand the need to buy a cheap tool that will only lead to aggrevation and do a poor job.
Buying a cheap tool to get a small job done once because you will not need it again is not the answer.JMHO
There were many huge monuments and structures built before our times without spray guns,airless nailers,jack hammers and the like.I own all of these tools and use them daily in my business but had a father that always bought cheap crap "because he was only going to use it for this one job:
Only leads to agrevatiion.Rent it or buy it once and be happy.You will use it again.
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Old 06-02-2014, 03:00 PM   #2
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How about them that use a tool for something that it was never designed for , then blame the tool when it breaks, or the finished job sucks ?

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Old 06-02-2014, 04:01 PM   #3
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Not sure if it's lazy or too much information. Look at the worst tool you can think of if you look hard enough on the internet you will find a site where people love it. Look at Behr paint (and I'm not trying to start an argument) but I feel it is at best a mediocre paint, but look Consumer Reports ranks it as the #1 paint. Look at Angies List where it's finally coming out you can buy your rating. Now that all power tools are made overseas there is a flood of cheap tools everywhere. Take Porter Cable they used to be one of the top tool lines, have you looked at some of their tools lately.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:23 PM   #4
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A follow up rant, who do people criticize other's choice in tools?

For example, I have a delta unisaw w/biesmeyer fence; Bosch 12" slide compound miter; makita lxt cordless set with driver, screwdriver/drill and 6" circular saw; dewalt 10 inch portable table saw; Bosch 7.0 amp jig saw; porter cable compressors and guns. Because I use them a lot of the time (and actually grew into the cabinet saw beginning with a cheap sears deal, then a Rockwell contractors saw, then the big guy because they fit what i was doing at the time)

On the other hand, I chose a Rigid oscillating tool for $79 as opposed to the gold standard fein multi-master because it is a tool that I use every few months and I am satisfied with it. The highe-end staircase builder guy that I worked with a month or so back has the fein....because he uses it ALL of the time...but has no need for the cabinet saw because he doesn't build cabinets. HIS circular saw is a portable makita that drops into a folding base from some outfit in Canada, and it is great for him because he needs portable over cabinet saw precision.

So overall, people come here and ask for advice.....and mine is always for something you will use a lot buy the best you can afford....but then they get to make a choice...and they are the ones that will live with it good or bad.

End first ever (I think) rant.

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Old 06-02-2014, 08:36 PM   #5
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I think 'to much information' is one big reason----

When people seek information here and elsewhere--the instructions always start with a specialty tool.

Installing concrete anchors is a good example---I've drilled hundreds of holes for anchors with a star drill and a hammer---at one time that was just how it was done.

Now, the instructions start with--"Use a hammer drill"---

Many members here are young enough that they never have used hand tools---

Frankly, I like my power tools---but I do know how to do the job without them--
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Built my own house 30 years ago, hammer, nails, skil saw. No nail gun, etc. not sure how I managed!! Ron
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My dad had a carpenter friend that he would hire ---I watched him rip an eight foot 1x8 with a hand saw---He held it so I could sight down the length of the cut--perfectly straight--(I don't do that well with a Skilsaw)
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There are a the diy type that take pride in being able to do the job right.
Then there are the diy that do it because they can't justify paying someone- either they can't afford it or can't justify the contractor's cost, or it looks easy.

I think they choose their tools accordingly....
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The tools don't always make the difference. It is the skill to do the job that is the issue. I have Pro tools and then mid grade tools because I won't use them enough to wear them out. Can do a good job with both. Joe DIYer will mess it up even with good tools if he does not know how to use them.

My concern is safety with DIYers. One a side note I was watching Holmes on Homes and just when I thought I had seen everything in my years in houses and that show along comes this beauty. Some DIYer took regular copper plumbing pipe and soldered the joints together, ran it thru a return air duct, put a compression ball valve for shutoff on it and guess what it was used for. Not water my friends, gas for his furnace.
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I own all of these tools and use them daily in my business
I would be looking for high quality precision tools for daily use in a profession as well. The reality is that many DIYers can and do get by on lesser tools for occasional use without needing to spend big bucks on everything. I have a good table saw and reciprocal saw- both DeWalts- bought mainly because they had the features I was looking for in those tools. The opportunity arose to buy a used Chicago Electric 10" slider miter and I took advantage of it. I've had that saw for 3-4 years now. The same with the Bostitch nailer and compressor kit I bought at Lowes. They do everything I need them to do. As infrequently as I use them, they should last me a lifetime.
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When I want Pro tools especially a cordless drill where I have to handle it for hundreds of hours then shape and size and weight and balance are VERY important. I like Makita and if I was rich would use Milwaukee. Makita seems to last just as long. I won't buy Seers as they are awkward, ugly and heavy as a brick and same with some of the generic brands. But for basic ugly get er done once in awhile tools I use Canadian Tire Mastercraft no name stuff and they are pretty well built and do the same job.
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remember the old timers with the antique tools....they did a great job... pride in workmenship is the key..
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Not sure if it's lazy or too much information. Look at the worst tool you can think of if you look hard enough on the internet you will find a site where people love it. Look at Behr paint (and I'm not trying to start an argument) but I feel it is at best a mediocre paint, but look Consumer Reports ranks it as the #1 paint. Look at Angies List where it's finally coming out you can buy your rating. Now that all power tools are made overseas there is a flood of cheap tools everywhere. Take Porter Cable they used to be one of the top tool lines, have you looked at some of their tools lately.
Sorry but not all power tools are made over seas. Sthil power tools are made in the USA, even though most of the parts are made in Germany what they sell here was made is a factory in America
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I never have been impressed with buying a name. It is counted on that people will think they are ALWAYS getting more by paying more. It has been my observation that this is rarely the case anymore.
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I think there are a lot of factors involved in this. Time, quality and cost of materials and equipment going up. I think of myself. I don't make enough to support my family on just my income so my wife has to work. We are also more busy in activities at church and individual hobbies that are outside of our home. More so than the previous generation was. I sometimes get an occasional look or comment from my parents when I tell them how busy we are. We enjoy the the things we're involved in though.

My parents and even more so, my grandparents were able to make a living on one income. But they only ever went out when they had to get groceries or the other essentials. We live in a different time with different means of producing the same results. Not everything new, however, is better or more efficient.

I'm not sure I would want I live seventy to a hundred years ago where you lived on a farm and had to work from sun up till late in the afternoon or evening just to put food on the table. Not to mention you would have to make all the repairs on your home and equipment.

The modern conveniences of today do make a lot of people lazy and we tend to forget how much work goes into producing and creating and manufacturing things by just man power. That's not to say there aren't those out there who choose to take their time on projects to just enjoy the process as well as the finished product.


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