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Old 12-24-2010, 06:42 PM   #31
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On the surface it seems like a fair idea depending on the cost. Might be... you could do the same thing with plywood and cement board for less. I'm not convinced their claims of that product being structural are totally honest. I don't see how it could be structural in those dimensions.

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Old 12-29-2010, 09:25 AM   #32
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I have just installed porcelin tiles over existing wooden porch deck using lightweight concrete board and used flexibond motar cement for exterior use and I am now being told that it probably will not hold up through the winter. I live in cincy oh.

As stated by many.... The wood deck is the culprit. Porcelain tile is fine for the freeze/thaw affects in Ohio. I have porcelain tile on my front porch in Michigan, but it was laid over the cement porch base. MANY porcelains have a textured / abrasive finish and do just fine with cold winter weather... but it is the wood base that will still be affected by the freeze thaw in Ohio...and penetrate upward to the cement board. Hopefully a top quality thinset was used with an additive and you may be able to get a few years out of it. Good luck.
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"The culprit" is movement!
The wood and the cementuous products as well as the tile will move at different rates of expansion and contraction. Therein lies the "culprit".
Cement board and thinset and porcelain tile are compatible.

Porcelain tile isn't usually an issue, it will handle freeze/thaw.
The thinset isn't usually the culprit, it will typically handle freeze/thaw.
Adding additives to already modified thinsets isn't a good idea.
There are decking systems available that have been designed for just this purpose.
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I note this post is old, but I thought it deserved correction. I am a professional tile installer and have tiled outside decks on a number of occasions without failures. The secret is the prep and materials used. First of all the deck must be stable. You can normally achieve this by adding 1/2 inch backerboard (thinset and screw the backerboard). You then need to waterseal the backerboard with jiffy seal ( like a roofing membrane material). On top of the jiffy seal you place Ditra drain with a special compound thinset) to remove any penetrating moisture that may come over time through the grout. You can then tile over the ditra drain with a recommended thinset (Schluter recommends a dry set but I personally think that something like a two component fast set thinset from Flextile 58XT specific to outside decks is better). You must do all of this in temperatures above 10 degress celcius. I live in Vancouver BC, and we get freezing temperatures here all the time....no issues with proper application.
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If the tile does pop, then the best solution would be to carpet over the tile. I remember someone talking about tiling over carpet, so I figure if you multiply the process by negative 1, it should work.
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I know I'm late to this, but I am a contractor and have done this type of work in my own home as well as others. I've never so much as had a grout joint crack even after 5 years of use. So strap in and pay attention...

First I recommend the the supporting floor joists be no more than 12" off center not 16". 10" would be even better. This takes care of the weight and deflection issues. The flooring is usually 2x6 pressure treated lumber as original flooring. First I nail down a reinforcing wire mess to the floor (may want to put down a waterproof membrane first so when laying the mortar down on top of the wire it doesn't drip down - I've done it both ways). Lay down an exterior mortar on top of the wire mesh at least 1" thick (some say 1 3/4) make sure you keep a pitch for any water to run in the direction you need. (for covered deck that I am usually doing this is not as much of an issue-but still consider), I this use a product called Red Guard that I paint onto the mortar bed (I also use to waterproof tile showers). This does 2 things, keeps moister out of mortar bed and also allows for more expansion of the tile on the floor during freeze thaw expansion times. I then do my tiling always using a grade 5 porcelain which has the least inherent moister content and can handle the exterior conditions.. Then grout as normal. The combination of the beefed up joists, the floating bed of mortar that negates the swelling and shrinking of the wood, as well as the added flexibility the Red Guard adds, creates a stable outdoors tile floor over wood that will hold up many many years. I've not had one fail yet and I do not use expansion joints using the above method.

I would be hesitant to uses backer board or cement board, not sure that it would float and move with the wood floor as well as wire and mortar. Take the extra time and do it the way I have laid out and you will be happy with the results. Caveats: I live in N.C. (but it does get cold here) and these are under roof installations (screened covered decks open to the elements but mostly dry - not completely) Though the principle should be the same either way. Good luck!
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Hi, I'm in the Charlotte area and would love to get a quote for my new home that is currently under construction. It has several porches and bathrooms. Thanks!
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Hi, I'm in the Charlotte area and would love to get a quote for my new home that is currently under construction. It has several porches and bathrooms. Thanks!
You probably better shout pretty loud! That post you quoted was 4 1/2 years old.

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