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Old 03-21-2010, 04:30 PM   #1
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Perpetual Motion Machine


I think since this site is a DIY site, why not solve the world's energy problem and let's get together and create a perpetual motion machine? I have an idea that may just work, but I need someone good at numbers to see if it'd be worth the trouble of building the prototype. (Willie T? wanna challenge? Nestor Kelebay? Want to unretire?)
I've done sketches and I see no reason why my design won't work.
No fuel burned, no electricity needed, etc. So.... anyone want to play?

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Old 03-21-2010, 07:38 PM   #2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction

i'll play along though

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Old 03-21-2010, 07:48 PM   #3
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You mean THAT'S what friction is?????
And all these years I thought it was a section at the lieberry....

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Trying not burst any bubbles here ,but God did this along time ago..we call it the universe. The machine Planet earth will work just fine until it's designed end of life...unless we keep messing with it. It's a big picture thing.
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I have one...its called a wife
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Does it involve magnets?
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the one thing all the previous so called perpetual motion machines had a problem with: they weren't.

Beyond that, even if you could make a perpetual motion machine, in itself, it would still be useless. You have to have an over unity machine to be of value. That is a machine that produces more power than it consumes. A perpetual motion machine merely is something that moves that does not require a fuel source to continue it's motion. That would be of no benefit. You must be able to produce work for the machine to be of any value.


and then we have that pesky physics thing that keeps getting in the way as well. You do realize you must follow the laws. Following the laws of physics are not optional like a speed limit law would be.
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Ok, I fully expected the "My wife's mouth" and other jokes, but I'm serious.
First idea: Not a PMM, but a simple way to keep batteries fully charged for cell phones, could be a simple tube strapped to your kid's arm using the Faraday principle to continually charge a battery. This could be done NOW!
I'm surprised no-one has already done it! Of course, adults can strap in too, but kids have so much more energy...
It'd be pretty much like a self-winding watch, except the battery gets charged instead of a spring getting wound.
I've only invented ONE magic box trick that I did not continue with, not because it wouldn't work, but because it was simply too easy for someone to figure out. All the rest I've come up with continue to baffle people the world over.
nap: true, true... but I've come up with a way (I THINK) to overcome this problem.... but like I said, I need to do the prototype.

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Ya mean something like this:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10023421-54.html

and my dad has a flashlight you shake to charge the battery

or even this:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/54...scription.html
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I tried to find it but couldnt - could you explain Faraday's Principle in regular non-scientist talk?
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yup, there ya go... I imagine a 15 minute recess with a playground full of 1st and 2nd graders could power the school for the whole day!

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cellophane: see nap's post.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10023421-54.html

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I tried to find it but couldnt - could you explain Faraday's Principle in regular non-scientist talk?
Oh, come on. Everybody knows it is as simple as this:

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Yeah, yeah... and I = E over R...
heck, we learned that in Kindergarten.... lol

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very basically stated:

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Some physicists have remarked that Faraday's law is a single equation describing two different phenomena: The motional EMF generated by a magnetic force on a moving wire, and the transformer EMF generated by an electric force due to a changing magnetic field
If you pass a moving wire (a conductor) through an magnetic field, it will produce an EMF (induce a voltage) into the wire or inversely, if you pass an electromagnetic field across a conductor, it will produce an EMF (induce a voltage) into the conductor.


You need 3 things to induce an EMF

1. a magnetic field

2. a conductor

3. relative motion between them (numbers 1 and 2)

and to take that a little further, this is the basis for all AC transformers . The AC current is what causes the relative movement. By the current alternating flow direction, it causes an electromagnetic field to be produced. That field, as it grows and collapses (as the AC reverses direction) will move passed the wires of the secondary of the transformer and induce a voltage into those conductors (EMF)

What DM is speaking about doing is using the slave labor (i.e. child) to produce the relative motion, a magnet to produce the original magnetic field, and a winding of wire as the secondary conductor which will then ultimately be connected to a battery of some type to store the energy.


EMF= electromotive force

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