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Old 08-20-2012, 03:14 PM   #1
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Hi Everyone,

Hubby and I have been doing a remodel on our house (link below) and I have a general permit question.

We decided to get an all-in-one washer/dryer (ventless) for a small pantry off of the kitchen. The pantry backs up against the single bathroom (the back of the tub). The right wall of the pantry is the gas/forced air (currently non-working and disconnected) utility room back wall and the left wall is the old exterior of the house.

The water lines run under the house.

We would like to run the water and the electric ourselves for this teeny project but would like to find out code/permit clarification.

The LG washer is a 120v connection instead of a 220 so this is really no big deal. We are talking about moving an existing h/c water connection and an existing outlet about 4 ft into this room.

I read the permit information online and it basically says that I have to hire a licensed contractor first. Really? Am I reading this right? Basically this means that no intelligent person can do any DIY project in TN unless he/she is a licensed contractor? Or does this not apply for remodeling?

Here are the links that I am reading. Opinions please, because calling or going downtown to the permit office is like wading through a series of "take a number" and "I don't care" local gov .

http://www.shelbycountytn.gov/index.aspx?NID=539

http://tn.gov/commerce/boards/contractors/law.shtml

http://tn.gov/commerce/boards/contra...usingCodes.pdf

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Are you really really sure you want to use that type washing machine?
I had one and got rid of it.
Being 110 it takes 4 times as long to dry clothes.
Used a tremendis amount of water, since it uses cold water running through a coil to condence the hot moist air so it can go down the drain.
My light bill went way up the day I put it in, and went way down as soon as it was gone.
I had to do more loads because if I fit more then 4 towels in it at a time it would shut off from being out of balance.

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I lived in Memphis for over 30 years and did get many home owner permits, also after I moved to Fayette county I got home owner permits there as well. I never had to hire anyone first. Maybe you could give them a call first. (Like someone will actually talk to you, but I wouldn't hold my breath)
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Are you really really sure you want to use that type washing machine?
I had one and got rid of it.
Being 110 it takes 4 times as long to dry clothes.
Used a tremendis amount of water, since it uses cold water running through a coil to condence the hot moist air so it can go down the drain.
My light bill went way up the day I put it in, and went way down as soon as it was gone.
I had to do more loads because if I fit more then 4 towels in it at a time it would shut off from being out of balance.
Hi Joe,

Thank you for your concern with my appliance choice. I am happy with my research and choice of this unit.

My question relates to interpretation of the code/permits for TN. Thanks!
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I lived in Memphis for over 30 years and did get many home owner permits, also after I moved to Fayette county I got home owner permits there as well. I never had to hire anyone first. Maybe you could give them a call first. (Like someone will actually talk to you, but I wouldn't hold my breath)
Thanks Jim! So you know exactly where I am coming from with regard to the communication difficulties with the local Memphis government.

I really think that I am interpreting the website information incorrectly. I'm going to wait for a few more replies here before I break down and try to get a straight answer from the permit office.
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Perhaps the website says you should hire a licensed professional first because that's what the vast majority of people do.
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Perhaps the website says you should hire a licensed professional first because that's what the vast majority of people do.
Wow, is there some kind of secret club here where I have to prove my worth to be a DIY'er? For a DIY forum, there sure are a lot of "hire a professional" comments.

I consider myself a pretty intelligent person who can and wants to learn more. I was merely hoping that someone would give his or her interpretation of the code I was reading. Oh well, I guess I don't know the secret handshake.
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Yes I would give them a call. I agree that it requires a contractor the way it is written. Yuck.
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The way I read it, you need to hire a pro.

But, in the county I live, a homeowner can pull a permit, do the work, and get an inspection. First, I needed a "homeowner wavier." In order to get that, I had to speak directly with the Chief Inspector. He actually quizzed me a little about my plumbing and electrical plans, procedures and practices. Then I had to sign a document saying that I was going to do the work myself and NOT hire an unlicensed "pro" to to the work for me. I was present for the inspections; framing, plumbing rough and electrical rough. The inspectors liked my work and signed off on it.

Not saying that's the practice in your county. But it might be worth asking.
BTW, Black and Decker's "Codes for Homeowners" is your friend.
I think most people wouldn't even bother pulling a permit for the job you're describing. But you didn't hear that from me.
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I think most people wouldn't even bother pulling a permit for the job you're describing. But you didn't hear that from me.
Yes, that is probably true for better or worse - and that includes many plumbers as well.

You can do repairs without a permit, but not upgrades. You can indeed pull most permits yourself as an owner-occupant. You can't for a house you own but don't live in. edit: unless you spend the jack on a license :D

The only time I've heard of a homeowner having trouble getting a permit here, is for running waste plumbing. Apparently they had trouble with people building their own houses running the waste piping without any slope so the drains didn't drain.

I would bet that if you are just moving something a bit, you can get a permit.

Tip: Instead of calling, go down to the office. It's by the tag office off of Sycamore View. Go talk to the inspector. The last time I had a mechanical permitting question the guys down there were very helpful.
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Super! Thanks Y'all!

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