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Old 05-15-2013, 10:53 AM   #31
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Yes we're going to redo it room by room as we live there......but it's not as bad as you seem to think.... Basically what we're going to do is pull the dry wall down, fix any electrical issues we find, insulate it, and put new walling up. The floor is sound and fine, all that needs is to be stripped to the wood floor....eventually we'll sand and seal the floors, but that's not the top priority. We are also going to replace the windows as we can afford them.

The house may not be a palace, but it's not as bad as you seem to think......we could just repair any holes, but we want to reinsulate the walls and run a whole house Ethernet line.


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By the way, I'm not sure if you read what I said before, but there is no reason to gut the house...it's basically sound, just needs some TLC. Basically what we're doing is improving it . We could live there as is without doing anything, but we want to do some things.if we needed to gut and redo the house, we wouldn't have agreed to buy it.

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My thought isn't so much how you intend to work on each room, but rather is the layout of the entire house (as it now exists) going to satisfy you and meet your needs as a few years pass?

Our kitchen is 15' x15', and it could be larger. My wife often wishes it was. Our Master bedroom is 13' x 15', and BOTH of us wish it was bigger.

Are your hallways wide enough? Most aren't... they are usually only 36" wide. Not enough when you are wheeling it. Do you have a "Mud Room" and a separate laundry? How about an entry and closet for visitor's coats?

Now, not after all sorts of other work has been done, is the time to plan for, and set aside money for, major wall-moving and future room additions. Drawing plans that show the existing house in a variety of "what if" renditions is what I was talking about when I mentioned getting a THOROUGHLY accurate drawing down in your drawing program.... so you can crank out issue after issue of the way you wish and hope it will become one of these days.
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Yes we're going to redo it room by room as we live there....
what we're going to do is pull the dry wall down, fix any electrical issues
we find, insulate it, and put new walling up.
Yeah, I read that in the first post.
I'm amazed that no one else who has commented has brought this up.

I'll repeat... do the WHOLE house as one project.
You'll also be able to change the room layout if you do.
Want to make the bathroom bigger? Add a shower?

As to "issues you may find" ...
one of them will the requirement to bring the electrical and plumbing
and everything else up to current codes.

Rent or borrow an RV to live in for the 2-6 months it'll take.

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My thought isn't so much how you intend to work on each room, but rather is the layout of the entire house (as it now exists) going to satisfy you and meet your needs as a few years pass?

Our kitchen is 15' x15', and it could be larger. My wife often wishes it was. Our Master bedroom is 13' x 15', and BOTH of us wish it was bigger.

Are your hallways wide enough? Most aren't... they are usually only 36" wide. Not enough when you are wheeling it. Do you have a "Mud Room" and a separate laundry? How about an entry and closet for visitor's coats?

Now, not after all sorts of other work has been done, is the time to plan for, and set aside money for, major wall-moving and future room additions. Drawing plans that show the existing house in a variety of "what if" renditions is what I was talking about when I mentioned getting a THOROUGHLY accurate drawing down in your drawing program.... so you can crank out issue after issue of the way you wish and hope it will become one of these days.

I like the layout of the house except for one thing that is minor to fix and will be done later on....there are no hallways in the house, with one exception and that is the issue to be fixed later...right now my husband will be taking that room as his until he gets the other area done. Entry closet is part of the minor issue that will be changed a bit later.

Mud room and separate Landry? Wow....this house is only just under 800 sq ft and it'll be perfect for us. Sure, fancy things like the mud room and separate laundry are nice dreams for the "won the lottery" style...but we're simple folk out here......I just want a small, easy to navigate and clean, warm/cool and comfy house. If I ever win the lottery, I'll have my "dream home" built with tons of fancy, non-essential things, lol.

It's really interesting what different people in different phases of life see as necessities... We're just going to make this house easier and cheaper to heat/cool by adding new insulation and that requires re-doing the walls. Eventually we'll replace the windows. And doors. But it's about priorities....and the first priority is moving in and making sure everything essential works (water, plumbing, electric). Then re-insulating and then building my husbands area.

What good is a fancy kitchen when I don't cook and we don't have sit down meals? If something is cooked like spaghetti, we eat in our respective areas in front of our computers....our only child is grown, married and out on her own...no need for fancy.
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Yeah, I read that in the first post.
I'm amazed that no one else who has commented has brought this up.

I'll repeat... do the WHOLE house as one project.
You'll also be able to change the room layout if you do.
Want to make the bathroom bigger? Add a shower?

As to "issues you may find" ...
one of them will the requirement to bring the electrical and plumbing
and everything else up to current codes.

Rent or borrow an RV to live in for the 2-6 months it'll take.
While in the "win the lottery" scenario it would be awesome to "do the whole house".....not possible right now. Besides, it's not like we'll have to gut the place....just doing some projects to make it better. No changes in the layout are essential...one minor change will be done later. I like the little doll house....I just want it cheaper to heat/cool....thus the re-insulating. And since we have to pull the drywall to change the insulation, well fix any electrical issues we find and run a whole house Ethernet.....

Don't have to worry about codes out there, and my husband will make sure the electrical can handle the load.

Definitely not going to try putting an rv on the property out here in Arkansas....besides, those are harder than he'll to get my powerchair into...lol

Oh, and 2-6 months? For the whole house? That is not even possible. Fixing up this house will be our project for the years we plan on being there.

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Tarheel. The OP is in a wheelchair, they are not going to be able to do the RV thing while working on the house.

Mama, I understand that you want to do the house room by room, but as someone that is basically having to do similar work to you may I suggest the following.....

Cut the house in half as it is....for example, if you can work on all the back rooms at once and live in the living room it will be MUCH easier. The reason people are saying to do as much of it at once is that if you do this room by room you are going to have dust and debris everywhere. Then you run into situations where you have to cut into walls you have already done to trace wires etc. If you cut the house in half, you can work on the back area first while storing your stuff in the front of the house and then switch. I would recommend doing the back first and not the kitchen area first etc is that if you start at the front etc you would be tracking stuff through the nice new area to get to the back to work on it.

Its not fun to live in the house as you work on it but it is doable. Cover EVERYTHING. Even the TV etc and especially your computers. Drywall dust is finer than talcum powder and you do not want that stuff in your electronics. Even if you have the work area taped off from the rest of the house....the dust will travel. Put all your clothes etc and kitchen stuff you are not using on a day to day basis in containers.

As for drywall, as stated everyone starts somewhere. I was no Picasso but have gotten the hang of it to the point where we are going to be doing all our drywall on our rebuild.

The folks here will bend over backwards to assist you and will answer any questions that you have.

Best of luck to you and keep us posted.



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Tarheel. The OP is in a wheelchair, they are not going to be able to do the RV thing while working on the house.

Mama, I understand that you want to do the house room by room, but as someone that is basically having to do similar work to you may I suggest the following.....

Cut the house in half as it is....for example, if you can work on all the back rooms at once and live in the living room it will be MUCH easier. The reason people are saying to do as much of it at once is that if you do this room by room you are going to have dust and debris everywhere. Then you run into situations where you have to cut into walls you have already done to trace wires etc. If you cut the house in half, you can work on the back area first while storing your stuff in the front of the house and then switch. I would recommend doing the back first and not the kitchen area first etc is that if you start at the front etc you would be tracking stuff through the nice new area to get to the back to work on it.

Its not fun to live in the house as you work on it but it is doable. Cover EVERYTHING. Even the TV etc and especially your computers. Drywall dust is finer than talcum powder and you do not want that stuff in your electronics. Even if you have the work area taped off from the rest of the house....the dust will travel. Put all your clothes etc and kitchen stuff you are not using on a day to day basis in containers.

As for drywall, as stated everyone starts somewhere. I was no Picasso but have gotten the hang of it to the point where we are going to be doing all our drywall on our rebuild.

The folks here will bend over backwards to assist you and will answer any questions that you have.

Best of luck to you and keep us posted.



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Due to the situation, it won't be possible to cut the house in half...but 1/3s is doable. The house is naturally thirds....the back 1/3 is my bedroom and the bathroom, then the kitchen, which is the full width of the house so it's the second 1/3. Then the living room and front bedroom. That might be a good, doable idea. And thanks for the comments on the drywall....I hadn't thought of the dust.....that's part of the reason I'll bet my husband wants to find something else to use...Lol.
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I am excited to see that you are posting about your home remodel project. Be assured there are many helpful people on this site, as I'm sure you have already seen. I always think its great when people remodel/ fix up old houses. Keep us updated!
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I like the layout of the house except for one thing that is minor to fix and will be done later on....there are no hallways in the house, with one exception and that is the issue to be fixed later...right now my husband will be taking that room as his until he gets the other area done. Entry closet is part of the minor issue that will be changed a bit later.

Mud room and separate Landry? Wow....this house is only just under 800 sq ft and it'll be perfect for us. Sure, fancy things like the mud room and separate laundry are nice dreams for the "won the lottery" style...but we're simple folk out here......I just want a small, easy to navigate and clean, warm/cool and comfy house. If I ever win the lottery, I'll have my "dream home" built with tons of fancy, non-essential things, lol.

It's really interesting what different people in different phases of life see as necessities... We're just going to make this house easier and cheaper to heat/cool by adding new insulation and that requires re-doing the walls. Eventually we'll replace the windows. And doors. But it's about priorities....and the first priority is moving in and making sure everything essential works (water, plumbing, electric). Then re-insulating and then building my husbands area.

What good is a fancy kitchen when I don't cook and we don't have sit down meals? If something is cooked like spaghetti, we eat in our respective areas in front of our computers....our only child is grown, married and out on her own...no need for fancy.
I beg to differ with you. There's no need to box yourself in. Livability doesn't always come with money... it comes with "thinking", and thinking with imagination.

One thing Tarheel mentioned was the bathroom. This is the one room you are going to find more and more important. And, frankly, a 10' x10' bathroom is too small for wheeled mobility. Do you already have access to the tub or a shower by yourself? No, probably not. And tight money is no reason to settle for that ongoing inconvenience.

Are all your doors already at least 36" wide? I KNOW you would have to say the standard 24" bathroom door presents a challenge right this very minute. If yours is that size, why live with it.

Please don't get the idea that all of us have money. Most of those guys are over on the ContractorTalk forum, not here. I happen to have a little extra money, but I give a lot away. Honestly? My wife and dog and I live on a total income of $600 a week. And our house has only 900 square feet of livable area. (That's floor area where our feet actually touch.) But the house was designed to be extremely functional with that restriction.
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Sounds like 3rds will work.

As you work your way from the back of the house to the front. Put up a plastic wall by taping up painters plastic to seal each section off as you work on it.

Spend some time on the drywall section on here. They have lots of tips on helping to contain the dust. They also can provide advice on how to go about hanging and taping etc.

The folks in the electrical section will also help you when you are working on the wiring although I would ask my questions in the evening....they are kinda cranky sometimes in the morning before their coffee Seriously though, they will help guide you safely with any issues or questions you have. (They REALLY like pictures there)

You can search each subforum for answers to questions as well....chances are any question you have is one that one of us has asked before (and sometimes many times lol)

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I beg to differ with you. There's no need to box yourself in. Livability doesn't always come with money... it comes with "thinking", and thinking with imagination.

One thing Tarheel mentioned was the bathroom. This is the one room you are going to find more and more important. And, frankly, a 10' x10' bathroom is too small for wheeled mobility. Do you already have access to the tub or a shower by yourself? No, probably not. And tight money is no reason to settle for that ongoing inconvenience.

Are all your doors already at least 36" wide? I KNOW you would have to say the standard 24" bathroom door presents a challenge right this very minute. If yours is that size, why live with it.

Please don't get the idea that all of us have money. Most of those guys are over on the ContractorTalk forum, not here. I happen to have a little extra money, but I give a lot away. Honestly? My wife and dog and I live on a total income of $600 a week. And our house has only 900 square feet of livable area. (That's floor area where our feet actually touch.) But the house was designed to be extremely functional with that restriction.
I don't consider it "boxing" myself in...I LIKE the small, den like existence. To be totally honest, I spend probably 90% of my time in my bedroom, in bed. That's why I just spent $2500 on a good bed. Right now my bedroom is 15x16 and its way to big for me. All the extra room does is give me more places to add clutter..which is an ongoing issue for me. I like the idea of being enclosed...and if I want wide open areas, I can go outside...we'll have 1.5 acres. My husband and I don't share a room due to my medical issues and his schedule...and as soon as he gets the garage transformed to his liking, it will just be me in the house.

My husband makes about $300 a week and my disability is $730 a month....and our mortgage payment will be just over $300. That's why we're doing it the way we are....not to mention that my husband works a full time job. Honestly, I understand what you're saying...but different people have different needs and wants. For me, the small house is perfect. And the bathroom is really good...it's bigger than a normal bath and outfitted for a chair. The thing not accessible is the tub and that is something I'm used too....the new bath is better laid out for getting me in the tub. I won't bore you with my medical stuff, but I will say that I'm not paralyzed, I have crps and can't walk on my right leg. Thus the chair. I can transfer, with help, and the new place has enough space between the tub and shower for my chair to fit.

The doorways (no doors at all, lol). Are wider than average due to the age of the home and the style. The house is 796 sq ft, just perfect....less to clean, easy to get around and once we do the reinsulation and few other things done i will be perfect there for the next 20 or 30 years.....if my daughter doesn't freak out and move me into a "hobbit hole" she threatens to build for me next to her house. Lol

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Sounds like 3rds will work.

As you work your way from the back of the house to the front. Put up a plastic wall by taping up painters plastic to seal each section off as you work on it.

Spend some time on the drywall section on here. They have lots of tips on helping to contain the dust. They also can provide advice on how to go about hanging and taping etc.

The folks in the electrical section will also help you when you are working on the wiring although I would ask my questions in the evening....they are kinda cranky sometimes in the morning before their coffee Seriously though, they will help guide you safely with any issues or questions you have. (They REALLY like pictures there)

You can search each subforum for answers to questions as well....chances are any question you have is one that one of us has asked before (and sometimes many times lol)

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Thanks Robyn...my husband is pretty good with electrical, but if he runs into an issue, I'll take your advice to go ask....and no mornings is good....I'm a night person, so I don't usually get going until late. Today is an exception....and only because I didn't sleep much last night.

That is a really good idea on the plastic and tape....I hadn't thought of that. My husband is still voting for particle board for the walls, lol
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I don't consider it "boxing" myself in...I LIKE the small, den like existence. To be totally honest, I spend probably 90% of my time in my bedroom, in bed. That's why I just spent $2500 on a good bed. Right now my bedroom is 15x16 and its way to big for me. All the extra room does is give me more places to add clutter..which is an ongoing issue for me. I like the idea of being enclosed...and if I want wide open areas, I can go outside...we'll have 1.5 acres. My husband and I don't share a room due to my medical issues and his schedule...and as soon as he gets the garage transformed to his liking, it will just be me in the house.

My husband makes about $300 a week and my disability is $730 a month....and our mortgage payment will be just over $300. That's why we're doing it the way we are....not to mention that my husband works a full time job. Honestly, I understand what you're saying...but different people have different needs and wants. For me, the small house is perfect. And the bathroom is really good...it's bigger than a normal bath and outfitted for a chair. The thing not accessible is the tub and that is something I'm used too....the new bath is better laid out for getting me in the tub. I won't bore you with my medical stuff, but I will say that I'm not paralyzed, I have crps and can't walk on my right leg. Thus the chair. I can transfer, with help, and the new place has enough space between the tub and shower for my chair to fit.

The doorways (no doors at all, lol). Are wider than average due to the age of the home and the style. The house is 796 sq ft, just perfect....less to clean, easy to get around and once we do the reinsulation and few other things done i will be perfect there for the next 20 or 30 years.....if my daughter doesn't freak out and move me into a "hobbit hole" she threatens to build for me next to her house. Lol
Now, see? That's what I'm talking about. You've got a ton of space wasted in that 240 SF bedroom that you don't need, and don't intend to use.

Right now, in the planning stages, is the time to see if you can't shuffle some of those walls around to give part of that space to another area that would serve you better. If you leave the bedroom as is, then nowhere else gets a chance to become more usable.
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For what its worth, i agree with everyone about drywall. i had never touched the stuff before i started my project. I used my bedroom walls and bathroom walls as the learning canvas, and thats where i made my mistakes. Lightly visible mud marks on the bathroom walls let me know i needed to pay more attention when sanding. bubbles in the bedroom told me i needed more mud under the tape. Its a learning thing, and now that we have moved on to the living room, im pretty good at hanging drywall, and sluggishly learning and wading my way through the mudding and taping. Im painting the living room and kitchen white with dark brown accent pieces so that if we do it again, the mud lines wont be so visible. nobody is perfect at drywall when they start out. Some arent so good when theyre done, but at least my walls are covered and look nice.
I look forward to seeing more of your project, and my word of advice is, never take for granted that a room will be absolutely square, or that a wall will be plumb, or that a floor will be level. i thought with a mobile home, we would be good. Nope. Im having to cover framing mistakes (that i had absolutely nothing to do with) with drywall and copious amounts of mud.

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