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Old 09-18-2012, 03:21 PM   #16
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i agree that $100 sounds steep and it is completely reasonably to ask for an invoice if repairs were done by a contractor. if she gets defensive, she is full of crap and trying to take you for $100. at that point, if it were me, i'd pull my kid from the piano classes and tell her to pound sand for trying to screw you over after your wife did the right thing and owned up to it.

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Most piano teachers really just try and suffice the 30 minutes or hour to collect money at the end...
Since I'm a piano teacher, I'll ignore this comment because you really don't want me to respond.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:38 PM   #18
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I will respond. That was an uncalled for insult.

My child's piano teacher charges way less than the going rate. And she does not need the money. She teaches for her love of music and children.

And she doesn't just teach chopsticks, she is a qualified Royal Conservatory teacher and has her students tested at each grade level.
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people are getting personal, the fact that she is a piano teacher is irrelevant to the situation.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:13 PM   #20
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"The issue is not the money." Then what is the issue? Every body who sues or is sued always says , "The issue is not the money." Its always the issue.

You could have been charged for a new stand as well as labor. Count your blessings, pay the lady.

If you feel like the mean lady is taking advantage of you, don't pay it. Make her take you to court, pay for new stand, was that dent in box before mishap? can you prove it? new box, installation, court costs. Maybe lawyer fees. I agree with creeper(!) "Methinks you are just looking for affirmation of your opinion that you are not being treated fairly." I would have worded it a bit more strongly, I think I will, Don't be a jerk, you break it you buy it. Pay the lady. Did you know knocking over mail boxes is considered tampering with the mail?

posted then edited, Once again i agree with creeper, (will wonders never cease?) "That was an uncalled for insult")
"the fact that she is a piano teacher is irrelevant to the situation." but then we wouldn't have a chance to make all these great puns.

I had chords tryin to hold up my mailbox, I pounded bars and flats around the post, didn't help. Cars had F... sharp bumpers , they cut the chords. Sight of fallen mail box sent me into hemidemisemi quaver.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:35 PM   #21
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The piano lady is not entitled to the value of a new mailbox and stand. She is entitled to the value of the mailbox/stand at the time it was damaged. So you have to ask yourself if she tried to sell it in the condition it was in before it was damaged, how much could she receive for it?

That is the measure of her damages.

If it is as the poster stated that the mailbox/stand pushes into the ground, then install costs are negligible.

In my opinion it is unreasonable for the aggrieved party to ask you to buy a BRAND NEW mailbox.

By all means you can buy a new mailbox/stand for her but she is not entitled to a new one.
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One thing to consider here:

Hire a different piano teacher in your area.

Good luck.

Back the french horn up a minute...the op never claimed his kid was taking music lessons from the piano lady. She is the poster of post #17.

For all we know the kid is taking ukulele lessons.
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The piano lady is not entitled to the value of a new mailbox and stand. She is entitled to the value of the mailbox/stand at the time it was damaged. So you have to ask yourself if she tried to sell it in the condition it was in before it was damaged, how much could she receive for it?

That is the measure of her damages.

If it is as the poster stated that the mailbox/stand pushes into the ground, then install costs are negligible.

In my opinion it is unreasonable for the aggrieved party to ask you to buy a BRAND NEW mailbox.

By all means you can buy a new mailbox/stand for her but she is not entitled to a new one.
I don't think the question of a brand new one came up either. The victim is not harping for repair/labour costs.

Had the op tuned into the fact that he should have offered to repair the box on the first day, I think the whole thing would have been a non issue
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The woman is entitled to be made whole in this as the law would read. And sure she is not necessarily entitled to a new one. So offer to repair the one she has or search for one of similar age and not new to replace it.

I can help if you want. Now and then I get assigned to search out things for restoration projects of others all the time. I get $150/hour though and usually have a half day minimum which gets paid upfront. For you, I would be willing to see how far I get in a couple of hours and let you know what I find and how much it will cost to ship it. I will invoice you for time spent and know you will pay me within 30 days right?

The finish on hers looks to be in reasonable shape. If I find something not quite so you will spring for sandblasting, priming and painting right?

I say again, it is going to cost more than you imagine to have a blacksmith straighten the existing one. Only one side where the bumper hit it appears bent but the sides must have warped to each other. He/she is going to have to heat it up and see if to see if it can easily be straightened. It certainly can be in a jig but to get it in one he is going to have to break the welds on the scroll work, straighten it, and then re-weld. Prime and paint. My guess is $250-300.

Or again, since you said a new one similar (she is not obligated to take one just similar and people are fussy about such things) is $100? And she is only asking for $100? The financial difference between you is zero? Do you see the sublime to absurd nature of all this? But take her to the matt.

And to comment on music teachers? I had private music teachers in many places for piano and one for clarinet. And great public ones as well that got me a music scholarship so I could get into college. Today, after all the lessons? I cannot play either with any proficiency but I can read complex musical scores thanks to the piano teachers especially. My family had a music publishing company for a time and I ran the music typewriter which was an amazing machine and our way of committing notes to ligature paper. Without being able to understand notation, I would not have been able to do so.


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Old 09-18-2012, 06:12 PM   #25
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I knew it would come to this, somebody done went and knocked over Pianolady's mail box.

"new box" my fault, I should have said "replacement box" in my hyperbolic diatribe. Point I was trying to make is its a lot simpler to fess up and pay up, than make major issue of it.

"... the value of the mailbox/stand at the time it was damaged." Somebody's been watching People's Court.
But now that we're in court; consider, does damage, lets say dent, prevent object from being used for its purpose? Dent- lost 50 cents worth of usability. Bent stand- $2.00
They got everything on e-Bay, used rural boxes from $10 to 95?! musta belonged to Elvis. New box $10 on up, HD . New similar stand $30. used e-Bay the same.

"... install costs are negligible." if it can be shown that it is common in area, standard practice, for handy man not to show up for less than $100, many courts will uphold that amount. whether actually paid or not, as part of damages.

If it stands in court, it stands outside. But, if OP had just discussed matter, a lower agreeable price probably would have been reached. Op could have offered to hire someone himself. Or, since OP says it such an easy job, could have " pounded into the soil" himself. Then the problem would never have arisen. But then we wouldn't be havin all this fun. Bet this isn't 1st time box has been knocked over.
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i still think it is fair to want proof that she actually spent the $100 she is asking for and not just up-charging him because she thinks she can.
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The woman is entitled to be made whole in this as the law would read. And sure she is not necessarily entitled to a new one. So offer to repair the one she has or search for one of similar age and not new to replace it.

I can help if you want. Now and then I get assigned to search out things for restoration projects of others all the time. I get $150/hour though and usually have a half day minimum which gets paid upfront.

Are you kidding me??? It's just a mailbox. And not even a fancy smancy one at that.
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" I get $150/hour though and usually have a half day minimum which gets paid upfront." I think that proves one of my points. Sds can charge 150/hr to check out cost of pounding $50 mail box and post into ground. Another can charge $100 to pound said box into ground.

Ya wanta get fancy schmancy mail, gotta have fancy schmancy mail box.
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he's just mad cause his kid has to play the gong at the group recital :O

I'm thinking you couldn't get someone to knock it over for 100$, putting it back up for 100$ seems cheap.
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Look. Of course if offered such a project I would not take it and especially knowing the circumstances. I would say something like, "You must be kidding?"

I was trying to point out the options to making the woman whole in this are:

1. Fix It - Which is going cost much more than the stand is worth. I work with blacksmiths enough one would do me a favor but I know I would get laughed at bringing something like that in for repair. The OP doesn't have relationships so I am guessing it to be a $250 or so job.

2. Find a Matching One - Someone is going to spend some time looking. I charge for my time. Others may not as much or even think enough of themselves to put a value on it.

3. Buy a New One - We have been told the cost is $100. Somebody is going to have to take the mailbox off the current stand and put it on the new one. If the OP will do it for free? Great. Then he is only out whatever time plus the new block he will have to cut for the mailbox base. It is unlikely he will get the old hardware to work so add $2 for new nuts and bolts. Might scratch something so add in a cheap mini rattle can of paint for $5. So let's say he gets by for $110?

4. Pay the Woman - Write a check for $100 and be done with this.

Now come on. Which option makes the most sense?

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