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Old 03-03-2013, 09:56 PM   #31
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Not only that (above) but concrete has a major pH-associated problem with it that only certain paints can handle; you say "BM exterior flat"...that says nothing to me - apart from a paint that isn't designed for concrete applications. See, concrete is very alkaline and needs a paint that will withstand that attack from within.

But you saw paint there before and just assumed more paint would do now; wrong. Then you went ahead and concocted some scheme to paint and seal concrete. Wrong again. Then you went to Ace or Lowes or soemwhere and put your trust in them to settle your sealant nightmare. Wrong again. Then you asked the manufacturer...well that was the closest thing to a right idea you've had all along; trouble is now you're throwing good money after bad. Sure they'll sell you something - but whether or not that something will apply/solve your situation isn't their concern.

IMO it was a bad idea from the start. But too late for advice now; so sit back and blame the world for your problem, but don't come here for 'how-to-fix-it" advice for free. LOL
That's pretty rude. Hasn't momma ever told you that if you don't have anything good to say, to not say anything?

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Old 03-03-2013, 10:25 PM   #32
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Nice dog and nice paint job anyway!
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Looks great. Should have came here before going to lowes.
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I will update once I have something meaningful. I'm still in the process of degreasing. Trying Super Clean degreaser now. I called Rain Guard and got some advice from them. They were super helpful and recommend their waterproof product once it get the other product removed. Also explained why the other product failed. I am going to wait several days after the last mop before I "seal" it. I tried to take pics of the floor in its current state but it looks normal because the product left behind still has settled into crevices. So not much point just yet. My persistence will pay off and I will post pics
It looks nice but it was a lot of work based on wishful thinking. You really need a clear protector that won't screw up the paint job. I think epoxy would have been best but paint needs to adhere to the substrate, whatever it is. I'm not sure what you used, was it waterbased?

It's hard to accept but sometimes you are just better off redoing a project instead of trying to make it work. Bear in mind that these sales people often are as informed as the guy flipping your burger. You need to find out specifically what their waterproof product is designed to adhere to.
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Ok. So I've gotten 90% of the old protector off the floor and touched up the paint that I scrubbed off. I called RainGuard before buying anymore products and they recommended their waterproofing product. I explained in detail all that's been done. Well...... I did a test spot 2 days ago. It's tacky just like the previous protector. Going to call RainGuard back ( and return waterproofer). Back to square 1. Not giving up yet. Thanks guys for the input. Updates to follow.
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...let the sealant dry a good long time before trying to fix it. Some adhesives and probably some coatings could take months to harden under poor conditions. I'd leave it alone for a while. Just keep it clean and dry if possible...
I painted the stand for the keyboard I'm typing on now and it took about a week before the keyboard stopped sticking to it even after it felt dry to the touch. And I painted it under perfect, indoor conditions.

Read some of these results for the search term "take months to cure" paint. You don't even have to click any of them...the information is all within the snippets.

And now that you had all kinds of solvents soaking into it before it fully cured/dried, it will probably take even longer.

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The big box stores.

"Where you go for advice, when you want to do the job twice."

Do you think they will use this slogan?

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Do a spot test, and let it sit for a week.
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Sometimes we just need to hire a professional to get the job done right. I had a similar project and there is a cool new sight that can help you get quotes for the work.

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Ok. So I've gotten 90% of the old protector off the floor and touched up the paint that I scrubbed off. I called RainGuard before buying anymore products and they recommended their waterproofing product. I explained in detail all that's been done. Well...... I did a test spot 2 days ago. It's tacky just like the previous protector. Going to call RainGuard back ( and return waterproofer). Back to square 1. Not giving up yet. Thanks guys for the input. Updates to follow.
My five dollars worth of advice. "the two cents adjusted for inflation" The paint already sealed it. Go to Benjamin Moore and talk with them it is BM product. quit going to other companies and asking for products that may or may not work with their paints. Now for the real fun part I got to ask. Does that patio have a vapor barrier under it? Or is the cement just poured on the earth under it? The reason why is moisture is going to creep up and blister your paint job, even if you seal it from above. Just saying.
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Oh and getting advice here. Is sometimes Just as bad if not worse then getting it from lowe's or home depot.
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Oh and getting advice here. Is sometimes Just as bad if not worse then getting it from lowe's or home depot.
But why would you continue to go where bad advise is given?
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Go to Benjamin Moore and talk with them it is BM product. quit going to other companies and asking for products that may or may not work with their paints.
Yes! And don't try the same type coating again and expect faster results. If both cans said something like "latex concrete sealant" you should have expected the same result even if Benjamin Moore told you to use it.

Maybe you can perform an experiment so to see whether it's hardening more every day (which it is). Buy a brick and coat it. After the second day of drying, hold it in the air and press a wooden board against it. Cut the board a little until it's light enough to barely stick to the brick for at least a second without falling. Do the same thing with that same cut board a day or two later and I bet you'll find it will fall because the brick became less tacky.
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Another thought, and it may have been addressed already, what temperature are you having out there? Are you sure it's in the curing range of the product?
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Both temperature and humidity can affect drying time. Did you contact customer relations of the manufacturer of the concrete sealer and ask for assistance? Could be something that others have not considered such as a bad batch of product or a can that is outdated or one that was left in someones garage in freezing temps before returned to the store. Unlikely? Yes, but can't be ruled out.
By the way, beautiful job. But unless coated with something more durable than sealer, very likely to show signs of wear in no time. Floors really take a beating. That's why epoxy is often suggested for concrete. Just my 2 cents.

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