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Old 02-25-2013, 11:24 PM   #16
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It's flat paint with shark sand...it may be absorbent enough for sealer. The paint label should have said what to use over it. Anyway, I would have let the paint dry a good long time, then seal it if appropriate, then let the sealant dry a good long time before trying to fix it. Some adhesives and probably some coatings could take months to harden under poor conditions. I'd leave it alone for a while. Just keep it clean and dry if possible...but I'm not a pro and I'm out numbered here.

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Old 02-26-2013, 03:48 AM   #17
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If and I said IF, you can get the crap off without ruining the paint job, this should work

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Old 02-26-2013, 06:18 AM   #18
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You asked an $8 an hour clerk for advice......
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:39 AM   #19
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What does the sealer say the dry time is supposed to be? Maybe you're not waiting long enough?

Also, the paint work looks great! Got any pictures with the failed sealer on it?
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:38 AM   #20
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Thanks for all the advice. I have been mopping it every night with Simple Green and Dawn. So far it is slowly removing the stickiness. I have scoured a bunch of paint off, but that I can fix easily. The manufacturer H&C responded back again and confirmed that degreaser and elbow grease should eventually remove it. They further suggested these products to seal it:



H&C Concrete Sealer Wet Look
http://www.hcconcrete.com/products/c...look/index.jsp

H&C Concrete Stain Solid Color Water-based
http://www.hcconcrete.com/products/s...tain/index.jsp


Any thoughts if this is appropriate?
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:05 AM   #21
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Anytime you SEAL concrete it's a crapshoot. My local SW store manager applied an epoxy to an outdoor patio.......It looked awesome........for about 6 months. Concrete, even older concrete, has moisture migrating from underneath to the surface......it is not a lot of moisture, but, it is moisture. Anyway, long story short, the top portion of his patio just started POPPING, I mean chunks began to pop off because the moisture got trapped between the top of the concrete and the epoxy coating. Not saying this is exactly like your case, but, do your homework & make sure you don't seal in unwanted moisture.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:20 AM   #22
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Not only that (above) but concrete has a major pH-associated problem with it that only certain paints can handle; you say "BM exterior flat"...that says nothing to me - apart from a paint that isn't designed for concrete applications. See, concrete is very alkaline and needs a paint that will withstand that attack from within.

But you saw paint there before and just assumed more paint would do now; wrong. Then you went ahead and concocted some scheme to paint and seal concrete. Wrong again. Then you went to Ace or Lowes or soemwhere and put your trust in them to settle your sealant nightmare. Wrong again. Then you asked the manufacturer...well that was the closest thing to a right idea you've had all along; trouble is now you're throwing good money after bad. Sure they'll sell you something - but whether or not that something will apply/solve your situation isn't their concern.

IMO it was a bad idea from the start. But too late for advice now; so sit back and blame the world for your problem, but don't come here for 'how-to-fix-it" advice for free. LOL
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:42 AM   #23
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Ccarlisle- while I understand your position, I don't quite agree. If this is not a forum to get free advice- then what is it? Don't persecute me for coming to get advice as this is the exact purpose of this, no?

My concrete was previously painted by the builder 1 year ago. I bought a stencil and Benjamin Moore was the recommended paint by the stencil manufacturer based on consistency. When going to a home improvement store and asking questions from not a cashier, but a person specializing in that department I HAD a reasonable expectation that they knew a little more than myself in that particular subject. I am not a professional so I HAVE to rely on information from others about home improvements. I have to trust that they are steering me in the right direction. Clearly this backfired.

Maybe painting my patio WAS a bad idea. But guess what? It's my problem to deal with. I can accept that responsibility. But I'm just trying to salvage my hard work. If you don't don't want to help people, which is the premise of this forum I presumed, then don't chastise me for my mistakes. And by all means don't spend your time replying to my self-induced problem.


Again, thank you to all the helpful advice I have received from here. I truly appreciate it. While maybe it's too late to do things the proper way, I may still end up with a comparable result if I'm lucky thanks to all of you.
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I tell it as I see it - and I don't apologize for that. Truth hurts sometimes.
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The easy way or the hard way, it's a learning process one way or another. I've done my share of both and still counting. Good luck with how your concrete turns out. I'd be curious to know what it looks like when you've finished.
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I will update once I have something meaningful. I'm still in the process of degreasing. Trying Super Clean degreaser now. I called Rain Guard and got some advice from them. They were super helpful and recommend their waterproof product once it get the other product removed. Also explained why the other product failed. I am going to wait several days after the last mop before I "seal" it. I tried to take pics of the floor in its current state but it looks normal because the product left behind still has settled into crevices. So not much point just yet. My persistence will pay off and I will post pics
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:41 PM   #27
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never ask or listen to advice from amyone in a blue or orange apron. if you haven't noticed the cashiers in those stores are also the specialists that you will find in the various departments. its a learning process and i am sorry you had to find out the hard way, but i am sure you won't make the same mistake again. good luck with fixing it, hope you don't have to repaint the whole thing.
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Not only that (above) but concrete has a major pH-associated problem with it that only certain paints can handle; you say "BM exterior flat"...that says nothing to me - apart from a paint that isn't designed for concrete applications. See, concrete is very alkaline and needs a paint that will withstand that attack from within.

But you saw paint there before and just assumed more paint would do now; wrong. Then you went ahead and concocted some scheme to paint and seal concrete. Wrong again. Then you went to Ace or Lowes or soemwhere and put your trust in them to settle your sealant nightmare. Wrong again. Then you asked the manufacturer...well that was the closest thing to a right idea you've had all along; trouble is now you're throwing good money after bad. Sure they'll sell you something - but whether or not that something will apply/solve your situation isn't their concern.

IMO it was a bad idea from the start. But too late for advice now; so sit back and blame the world for your problem, but don't come here for 'how-to-fix-it" advice for free. LOL
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Yikes, sounds like someone is mid-winter cranky

Mel is doing noble work here, scouting ahead of the pack to find one more way not to do something, signaling back "Don't come THIS way fergawdssake!!"
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Oh great another pissing contest. I thought our thing here was to help someone who made a mistake or asked a question, not nail them to a cross. I really can't figure out why so many come here and never return. I realize there are going to be different opinions-and remember opinions are like rear ends everybody has one and most of them stink-and different ways to do things that's part of it. Give it your best shot then let the poster pick whice one they think will work for him or her.
And don't come here for advice for free??? what the hell is this forum for?

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