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Old 10-03-2010, 07:06 PM   #16
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Do you think your alarm will protect you? When your Kwikset fails at an odd time and you are locked out I'm sure your opinion will change.

You know what happens when you spend peanuts...you get monkeys.

I dont blame anyone for wanting a DIY option. But if you DIY'ers continue to disrespect the opinions of the trained industry technicians, that present mounting evidence as to a products viability, then as the saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon parted".

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Old 10-14-2010, 02:36 AM   #17
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As a locksmith for 5 and a half years, I have 4 major issues with the kwikset smart key.

1st: Anyone can change it themselves. This is toted as a good thing. But, since you don't need any special tool to change it, just the working key, any other key, and a sharp tool such as a needle or safety-pin, someone can easily change the lock to another key as a joke or gag. This is not that big of a deal if you have it on a home, but these locks are being found more and more on public gates (ie. pool-gate, tennis courts, entry gates, etc.). Any tenant that wants too can change the lock instantly and really screw up the other tenants. I've seen this happen many times.

2nd: It cannot be master keyed. If you ever want more then one key to work this lock, then you are stuck. One key only makes it un-viable for many commercial applications.

3rd: If your key is worn, good luck! If you happen to want to use a slightly worn key, the wafers inside cannot adjust to the inaccurate cuts on your key. The lock will fail. This means that you need to change this lock to a "new" freshly cut key periodically otherwise the lock will fail. Most pin-tumbler locks adjust to worn out keys with use, and will last for decades without a rekey. I shudder to think about how many of these locks will fail in the next 5 years.

4th: The biggest reason: Most other techniques (picking, bumping, hammering, drilling, or pulling the lock plug) make a fairly large amount of noise. A smartkey lock on your door means that people could invade your house at night and you would never know, unless you got a dog or an alarm.

Stay away from smartkeys for you and your families safety.

P.S. Thieves know about these weaknesses and are always eager to exploit them. Don't believe for a second that most burglars won't know how to bypass your smartkey lock.

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Old 10-14-2010, 04:35 AM   #18
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If your concerned about peoples safety. Why would you post how to open the lock. On an open forum where anyone can read it.

I removed that section from your post. Don't post it again.
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:36 PM   #19
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Sorry about that. Locksmith always face the dilemma of telling to much and letting criminals know about how to break into homes or too little and keeping consumers ignorant of the major security holes in their home. The smartkey has been out for years and the technique i mentioned is not new and will be used as an easy way to break into it.

As a locksmith, my policy has always been more about teaching people about security then selling them product. I don't need to tell people that putting a padlock on a gate isn't super secure since it is very obvious that you could just jump over it. That's just common sense. To address the original poster, (and not to mention the technique to open this lock), the kwikset smartkey has and will always be in my opinion worse then a padlock on a gate: much less secure.

But, unlike the padlock on a gate, something that we all know is not secure at all, kwikset attempts to convince its consumers that this lock will keep you safe and that it is maintains "the highest level of security". That is simply untrue. And if you want proof, call up any large locksmith shop and ask a locksmith what they think of this lock. It is my goal, as a educated locksmith who has defeated the smartkey, to let the community know that this product is terrible.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:08 PM   #20
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This thread has informed the public enough about the lock. And we thank you and others.

However. This is not a why I hate this product site.

So no more post about it are needed.

For the record. The site has a rule about why I hate this product threads. They aren't allowed.
And they are generally deleted. I left this thread open. So people can know that there is/could be a flaw.

But anymore post in this thread about it will put this thread into the trash bin. And any new threads about it will follow suit.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:28 AM   #21
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P.S. Thieves know about these weaknesses and are always eager to exploit them. Don't believe for a second that most burglars won't know how to bypass your smartkey lock.
I have SmartKey locks. I also have a front door anunciator, a steel security door, and an alarm system (on all windows and doors) that is always on. If they bypass all of those, can they bypass my 12 gauge shotgun?
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:32 AM   #22
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I don't have an opinion.

I just wanted to add that I bought a rekey kit for ordinary knobs and deadbolts on amazon, came with a plastic doodad and five or six bags that each contained 50 of the common pin sizes. I did all 6 locks in my house for less than the $5/each price at the big box store, and I've got a LOT of pins leftover for when friends ask me to do theirs.

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Old 10-16-2010, 07:28 PM   #23
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As a locksmith for 5 and a half years, I have 4 major issues with the kwikset smart key.

1st: Anyone can change it themselves..
if i was a locksmith, i'd probably feel the same way!! Doesn't mean it's a bad product.

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2nd: It cannot be master keyed. If you ever want more then one key to work this lock, then you are stuck. One key only makes it un-viable for many commercial applications.
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Most homeowners don't need to master key locks, so this is a non issue unless you have rental properties. Even then it saves you money in the long run, you just need to carry more keys.

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3rd: If your key is worn, good luck! If you happen to want to use a slightly worn key, the wafers inside cannot adjust to the inaccurate cuts on your key. The lock will fail. This means that you need to change this lock to a "new" freshly cut key periodically otherwise the lock will fail. Most pin-tumbler locks adjust to worn out keys with use, and will last for decades without a rekey. I shudder to think about how many of these locks will fail in the next 5 years.
All keys wear, the fact that a standard lock will still work with a worn key just illustrates that they are easy to pick. Wouldn't a lock with such tight tolerances be MORE SECURE than a standard lock. If you care about my family so much, you should be encouraging me to buy this lock, no scaring me away from it

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4th: The biggest reason: Most other techniques (picking, bumping, hammering, drilling, or pulling the lock plug) make a fairly large amount of noise. A smartkey lock on your door means that people could invade your house at night and you would never know, unless you got a dog or an alarm.
PICKING & DRILLING make a lot of noise!?!? Now your just making stuff up. The video that was posted and removed showe a guy banging a blank into a smartkey. if you are saying that is stealthier than picking, drilling or evenbumping I have to say it is clear that you are simply attacking a product that jepordizes your livelyhood

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This thread has informed the public enough about the lock. And we thank you and others.

However. This is not a why I hate this product site.

So no more post about it are needed.

For the record. The site has a rule about why I hate this product threads. They aren't allowed.
And they are generally deleted. I left this thread open. So people can know that there is/could be a flaw.

But anymore post in this thread about it will put this thread into the trash bin. And any new threads about it will follow suit.
I wish you would delete this thread, it's pretty clear that the two locksmiths ( or maybe 1 using 2 names) is against this lock since they make good money to rekey locks and using this forum and two year old post to try and scare consumers. Practically ever consumer lock on the market has a weakness, we all understand and accept that theives know how to pick, bump and drill locks. they also know how to break windows, and use garage door openers found in unlocked cars in the driveway. This thread should be locked at the very least, it bothers me that these guys continue to spew their nonsense, and offer nothing in the way of helping people with actual solutions to their current questions
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:16 PM   #24
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I found this site and this thread by doing a google : "kwikset smart key problems". I do NOT want to bad mouth anyone or anything... just tell you what happened to me today. We had previously bought a brass Kwikset that went bad after 15 years of use. I called Kwikset and they sent a replacement for the shipping cost. It was a Smart key and I thought that it was a great idea. This morning, I left early and locked the door behind me. Later my son was leaving and he tried to lock the door with his key (we have been using the new door lock 3 to 4 months) and the door would not lock... he tried my wife's key and it would not lock either. When I got home, I tried my key and the door would not lock. My son called kwikset and they said the lock had malfunctioned and they would send us a new one on Monday (today is Saturday)... We still had the old lock and was able to swap the old one for the smart key one... This will get us by, but you can understand my concern about this and wanted to know what other people's experience is with the Smart key system. Is this an on going problem or is this just a one time thing? I would be interested to find what other people's experience with the product might be. Thanks!!!
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:45 PM   #25
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So they are standing behind their product, and treating you right.
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Yeah... I have never had a problem with them in standing behind their product. I worked for Black & Decker which at one time (may still??) owned Kwikset and know to call them if there is a problem. I just can't figure why the lock just quit working after 3 to 4 months use??? I have read ALL the threads about this and know there was some "I hate this product" going on... I just want to know what to expect in the long term... I may just have to wait and see.... Thanks!
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:58 PM   #27
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The only thing you'll get from here on why it failed. Is speculation.
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Well Mr Chips and Beenthere,

It seems that the problems with this product continue to mount. And it seems that you both continue to sing the praises.

It has been proved time and again that your opinions are WRONG.

Why dont you just fess up and admit that you are wrong?

Why dont you admit that you are nothing but handymen, intent on knocking professionals points of view and leading people astray?

We professionals are not and have not shown to be product haters, yet you few inexperienced individuals continue to mislead readers of this forum with your false diatribe. Perhaps you should become republican politicians.

The product speaks for itself. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, similar to the misguided opinions of Mr Chips and Been There!
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:54 AM   #29
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If the product speaks for itself. Why do you insist on speaking about it then.

Let it go. This thread is on the line to be deleted. As a violation of site rules. If you insist on replying on the topic. In the same way as you have been. It will be deleted.

End of discussion.
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I have an old mortise lock ( i think that is what it is called ) for my front door entrance. Would a kwikset lock with a handle be compatible? By that I mean, the old lock is covering a vertical, rectangular area ( 2 1/4" x 7" ). I do not know what to expect by removing it as far as door wood condition.

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