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Old 05-16-2013, 03:32 PM   #16
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nails are weak in withdrawl ...... take a hammer and see how easy it is to remove that ply from the column. the nail with either back out or the wood will and leave the nail. lateral movement (whether you need a permit or have a building code) happens to all structures from wind or seismic loads. Deck collapse is one of the leading causes of serious injuries and death in the home. We haven't even mentioned lateral bracing of the columns

I'd suggest downloading and reviewing this document. It is the "Prescriptive Residential Wood Deck Construction Guide" by the American Wood Council. This was put together by people a lot smarter than most of us because of issues with deck failures. It tells you how a deck should be designed and constructed.

Not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to make sure you're money goes for something that will last, and keep you and your family safe.

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Just wondering - in a place with no building codes/permits to back you up in saying "you're doing it wrong" to the contractor, what is to make them actually have to agree? Short of doing it yourself and becoming your own building inspector, do you really have any way to make sure your deck is built correctly?
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I"m not a deck expert. But where i live code requires second story decks to be all beef up. You see bolts and steel alot of steel brackets. They don't play on second story decks where i live.
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I kicked the door off the hinges, grabbed that guy by the back of his neck and through him out the front door, followed by his tools.
Hard to believe, but still very funny to read.
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Just wondering - in a place with no building codes/permits to back you up in saying "you're doing it wrong" to the contractor, what is to make them actually have to agree? Short of doing it yourself and becoming your own building inspector, do you really have any way to make sure your deck is built correctly?
I guess the free market, but your point is well taken. People hate regulation until they are the ones that got a bad deal. We were surprised when county office informed us we did not need a builing permit. We needed a driveway permit, septic permit and the well has documentation. The GC has a good reputation, the mechanical contractors and block layers are doing or did a first rate job IMO. The sub that did the deck and hung the drywall ( the same sub as far as I know ) are not what I expected. Thanks for all the replies.
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If that is what i am to expect workmanship wise on stuff thats visible, i would be extremely worried about the rest of the build and especially the parts i can't see.
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Dawg, that is what I was thinking, does pressure treated wood eat those nails. I do not believe those nails are compatible. I would think paying a few hundred dollars to a different general contractor or structural engineer and having them look over your home and deck would be money well spent. Post all the pictures you want and everyone on here will help you. As for kicking in the door, it was a very old door and the jamb just blew apart. You could have tore that whole house down with your bare hands. I just will not tolerate continued disrespect to me in my own home. Smoking in someone's home shows a complete lack of respect. Then leaving the evidence is down right despicable.
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Dawg, that is what I was thinking, does pressure treated wood eat those nails. I do not believe those nails are compatible. I would think paying a few hundred dollars to a different general contractor or structural engineer and having them look over your home and deck would be money well spent. Post all the pictures you want and everyone on here will help you. As for kicking in the door, it was a very old door and the jamb just blew apart. You could have tore that whole house down with your bare hands. I just will not tolerate continued disrespect to me in my own home. Smoking in someone's home shows a complete lack of respect. Then leaving the evidence is down right despicable.
Thanks for the input, the angle I took pic from was more direct the eye level. After reading the comments I looked at the pics closer and it does look like they used coated sinkers and not galvanized nails. I will need to make sure before I address the issue. Most of the subs seem legit, these guys act like clowns. Does make you wonder about the rest of it.
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after what I've seen .... I'm not wondering at all
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Pretty lousy job! I don't have an issue with a lot of nails, better too many than not enough and these would be filled and painted over usually. Looks like the fools went crazy with a nailgun on rapid repeat.

They SHOULD have used carriage bolts not 50,000 nails, the nails will rust and be useless.
Deck screws to help secure, and then carriage bolts is far better.


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I looked at the pics closer and it does look like they used coated sinkers and not galvanized nails. I will need to make sure before I address the issue. Most of the subs seem legit, these guys act like clowns. Does make you wonder about the rest of it.
I don' see what difference it makes, coated or not, they will still rust through eventually it will only take a little longer, and when something like that gives out it would happen suddenly, like during a party when several people stroll out on the deck together and they all wind up on the ground with injuries, broken legs and a lawyer on speed-dial.

I have seen a story not long ago about a deck that was poorly constructed and just nailed up that collapsed when several people were on it, I don't remember the details now but it was a bad one.
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I cannot speak to your code requirements as I do not know where you are located.

Per the 2009 International Residential Code (which is the code in my area, and basis for many building codes in other parts of the country) the following is required:

R502.6 Bearing. The ends of each joist, beam or girder shall have not less than 1.5 inches (38 mm) of bearing on wood or metal and not less than 3 inches (76 mm) on masonry or concrete except where supported on a 1-inch-by-4-inch (25.4 mm by 102 mm) ribbon strip and nailed to the adjacent stud or by the use of approved joist hangers.

I do not see where you have proper bearing as required by the prescriptive code. In my area the building official would require either prescriptive requirements be met, or a review and approval of the alternative construction by a professional engineer.

I'd call your local building department and inquire from them if this is in compliance with your local code.

Good luck!
Tell these guys they get paid when (and IF) it passes inspection......... and try to make sure you get a serious inspector.
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Google image search "Nail Plates for timber". then become very pissed, yell and scream, find a new contractor.

Here's how it should look.


Your deck is simply unacceptable, and very ugly (construction, the nails) to boOt.
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OMG this deck would be unacceptable if it was on the ground floor. On the second floor this is a disaster waiting to happen. Different terms for different areas but what we always called a sinker nail was a smooth shank nail whice has so little holding power they are not used much any more. For anything on this deck that can be nailed it should be ring shank (try pulling them out) and they have to be for pressure treated wood. Having said that the framing should be cut into the supports and then bolted. The ledger board has to be flashed and weather proofed or I guarantee you leaks inside at some point. Also can't tell from the pics but it looks like the supports are sitting on the ground and not on sunken concrete piers. I would stop work on this job NOW no not NOW but RIGHT NOW. DO NOT LET THEM SHOOT ANOTHER NAIL. And do not buy into any bull they give about using more nails will make it stronger. I would say I'm not trying to scare you, but that would be a lie because this scares me. Just imagine a family get together or a party and several people go out on that deck at the same time, figure out how much weight that would be, and they are all milling around and then remember the deck is held up with nails. Please have someone knowledgeable with decks, either a qualified home inspector or some one from the building dept., or even someone from a reputable deck co. come and do an inspection. And make sure they also inspect the ledger board and the footings.
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Building codes aside, there is a proper and safe way decks should be constructed, and what you have isn't even close. Go to the link below and download the Prescriptive Residential Deck Construction Guide (it's a PDF).

www.awc.org/publications/dca/dca6/dca6-09.pdf
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Thank you for the monster photo, Doc. It makes reading the posts so much easier.

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