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Old 05-09-2012, 05:55 AM   #121
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Nice !!
Its good to hear your own personal code of ethics prevailed.

Sorry to hijack
In defense of Realtors (and no you didn't slam anyone) I'd like this opportunity to point out that for the most part they are decent people too. They are in the business of selling the house not building or fixing the house and in general cannot be considered to have in depth knowledge about defects.

Most times, (but not always) when a Realtor recommends a home inspector it is not because they are in cahoots with the inspector, but are merely offering a service because (1) it may make it easier for their Buyer and (2) Inspectors and tradespeople are in their working sphere. Who doesn't want to see a friend grow their business?

Realtors have their as*es on the line with every legal document they prepare. They are accountable and can get sued for big dough for the slightest thing, such as the use of the word AND instead of OR nevermind failing to disclose major defects.
For the most part Realtors are in the business of making families happy. Plus we all know future referrals is where the money is. If you screw your client, you will screw your own reputation.

Now having said all that...I recommend hiring a contractor for your inspection, or at least bring one along for a second showing BEFORE you put an offer on paper.


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Old 05-09-2012, 07:43 AM   #122
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I just sold my house.

The buyer had an inspector come in and I passed with flying colors, "Best house he has ever seen", "It's my JOB to find things wrong, and other than normal wear and tear I can't find ANYTHING"


I've needed a new hot water heater for 2 months, I told my realtor this when it started going to hell. I just haven't had time to resolve the issue but I would before it got inspected if we ever got an offer (been on the market for 19 months). We got an offer and she scheduled the inspection for the next day. I called my realtor again and reminded her of the problem with the water heater and also told her that I lost some shingles in the weekend's storm. When the buyers inspector raised these as issue to please ensure the buyer both would be fixed before closing and I even offered to cover the cost of re-inspection so the buyer would be ensured that those issues were taken care of.


Needless to say he never noticed. The shingles, I can maybe give him a pass on, but I noticed. Granted, I knew to look when I found shingles on the ground after the storm, but I saw where the damage happened from the ground. The water heater, that's a completely different story. It's leaking and my temporary fix was to put a small pump from a fish tank to keep the pan empty. I didn't try to hide it, her inspector had to move it to get in the crawl space where it was draining into the sump pit.


This is why shows like Holmes Inspection needs to be on the air. They just need to be more truthful, as in if your realtor recommends an inspector, DON'T use that inspector. Find a third party.


I took a vacation day and replaced the water heater and fixed the roof today and could have left it and stuck the buyer with the cost of replacement and repair.
I've got a HUGE rant I could go on, about house inspectors. Not all of them, but obviously too many of them.

But I won't, because this thread is about Holmes on Homes...
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The codes for canada aren't that much different from US. The home owners insurance is what pays for the Holms repairs not HGTV they just bank the money for running the show.
The home owners insurance does NOT pay for the repairs except in one show where it was fire damage.This from the Holmes forum site.
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A: Holmes on Homes™ offers discounts depending on the scope of the job, which are passed onto the homeowner. As HOH is a TV show, we have money to cover Mike's time and his crew, and we pass these savings onto the homeowner. Any other costs are paid for by the homeowner and often end up being 10-15% of the overall job price. However, each job is different and a homeowners financial situation is always taken into account.
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Great deal for the homeowner, 10% to 15% of overall job price? No cost for labor and most likely no cost for material.
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Great deal for the homeowner, 10% to 15% of overall job price? No cost for labor and most likely no cost for material.

Exactly, that is what makes those jobs possible. It is entertainment, not an everyday reality-because he would price himself right out of the market if he went around quoting jobs that involved ripping apart half the house and digging up everything for new waterproofing. (especially when it started with someone wanting a bathroom redone). It would be nice, however the reality is most people do have a somewhat limited budget with this stuff. People love Holmes-well yeah when some guy comes in to work on your house at little cost to you with an apparently unlimited budget, who wouldn't.


I don't think he's a hack, however I think This Old House gives better advice.
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Great deal for the homeowner, 10% to 15% of overall job price? No cost for labor and most likely no cost for material.
The problem is many times things are done wrong. Just ask contractors who watch the show. I have seen every home improvement show install flooring wrong. Bob Vila was by far the worst, but none of them do it right every time. And I have talked to other tradesmen who will tell you the same thing.
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The problem is many times things are done wrong. Just ask contractors who watch the show. I have seen every home improvement show install flooring wrong. Bob Vila was by far the worst, but none of them do it right every time. And I have talked to other tradesmen who will tell you the same thing.
The main theme of Holms shows is to redo it the right way, if they install anything wrong it would be pointless to run the show. This old house is just the same. They won't fix something not the right way after a contractor screwed up the 1st time.
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The problem is many times things are done wrong. Just ask contractors who watch the show. I have seen every home improvement show install flooring wrong. Bob Vila was by far the worst, but none of them do it right every time. And I have talked to other tradesmen who will tell you the same thing.
The funny thing about construction is there are several ways to do the same thing....and none of them are truly wrong. Agreed, some ways are better but not necessarily wrong. Screws vs nails, lam beams vs dimensional lumber, plaster vs dryall, wood vs synthetic, wood flooring vs laminate....(and Walmart paper or plastic). I've walked in several jobs and said..."so that's how they did that" and I'm sure many have walked in to a job I have done and said the same; or maybe "what the "
Construction is always apples and oranges.
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Most times, (but not always) when a Realtor recommends a home inspector it is not because they are in cahoots with the inspector, but are merely offering a service because (1) it may make it easier for their Buyer and (2) Inspectors and tradespeople are in their working sphere. Who doesn't want to see a friend grow their business?
I see what you are saying, but I still would never use the SELLING agents inspector.

The selling and buying agent both have the same to gain if the house passes in flying colors (commission), but the buyers agent can move onto the next house if the inspection is no good - selling agent cannot and now needs to sell the house to someone else.
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The funny thing about construction is there are several ways to do the same thing....and none of them are truly wrong. Agreed, some ways are better but not necessarily wrong. Screws vs nails, lam beams vs dimensional lumber, plaster vs dryall, wood vs synthetic, wood flooring vs laminate....(and Walmart paper or plastic). I've walked in several jobs and said..."so that's how they did that" and I'm sure many have walked in to a job I have done and said the same; or maybe "what the "
Construction is always apples and oranges.
When it comes to flooring, there is only one right way to do things. If you don't follow manufacturers and CRI/ANSI (TCNA for tile) instructions, there is no warranty. And they are very specific. I have seen ALL of the home improvement shows violate flooring installation standards. Maybe there is more leeway for other trades, but I won't do anything that violates warranty and take a chance on buying the jobs or having failures. The last callback I had on a job was more than 20 years ago and it was proved to be product failure.
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When it comes to flooring, there is only one right way to do things. If you don't follow manufacturers and CRI/ANSI (TCNA for tile) instructions, there is no warranty. And they are very specific. I have seen ALL of the home improvement shows violate flooring installation standards. Maybe there is more leeway for other trades, but I won't do anything that violates warranty and take a chance on buying the jobs or having failures. The last callback I had on a job was more than 20 years ago and it was proved to be product failure.
Give us as example of any show that has not abide to the manufactures recommendations.

Are we talking install, prep?
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The problem is many times things are done wrong. Just ask contractors who watch the show. I have seen every home improvement show install flooring wrong. Bob Vila was by far the worst, but none of them do it right every time. And I have talked to other tradesmen who will tell you the same thing.
So why do you watch the show? If there's a show on television I don't like I don't watch it. Most contractors I know won't watch a home improvement show because they always think they know more about everything. Personally I like to watch all the shows. You never know what you can learn.
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Mike and Damen are not hard to watch
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I guess I watch to see how many things they do wrong.
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Some watch just to know what their next customer is going to hit them with.

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