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diggitydog 11-20-2006 02:49 PM

Garage door won't go down easily
 
I have an automatic garage door opener that continues to reverse itself when attempting to close the door. It'll go down a bit and then start to bring the door back up.

It is a screw drive type from Genie probably from the 80's or early 90's - 1/2 hp. It began occurring about a month or so ago, and is happening more and more frequently..... I believe because it is colder outside.

Could this be that the springs are wound too tightly? The lube in the track is gelling in the cold MN air? Other ideas?

I tried to find some adjustments on the opener that would adjust the amount of resistance it needs to encounter before reversing, but couldn't find anything.

Anyway, it currently takes about 4 or 5 attempts of getting the door down before I get it closes completely. The door will close a couple feet and then begin reversing.....I'll press the button to stop the retreat......press it again and the door will go down a few more feet.... it begins to reverse again...... I repeat this process until closed.

The red light on the floor beam sensor never blinks so I don't think it is caused by the floor sensors.

Please help if you've ever experienced anything like this or have any ideas how to proceed.

Thanks,
Dave

joasis 11-20-2006 07:02 PM

Step one: Pull the door release and operate the door manually...see if it is binding up...if it is easy to operate without the opener, then you have an operator problem. With the door released, cycle the opener up and down and watch the trolley on the track and see if it is smothly moving the full distance. Btween these steps, you will find the culprit....spring tension changes on the door would make it harder to lift, no go down, and do not adjust them,...torsion springs are not a DIY adjustment...if the operator (opener) jerks or the trolley catches and isn't smooth, then you have a sensor problem or the screw needs lubricated, etc.....check all of these and see what you find. Overhead doors do like maintenance from time to time...lube the rollers, make sure the tracks are secure (not allowing a catch point for the rollers, etc.)

concretemasonry 11-20-2006 08:18 PM

Garage door won't go down easily
 
Everything slows down when winter starts and the grease and dirt coagulate.

Your door carriages wear and get dirty and cause restraint that the door senses as hitting something. When you try it a few times you loosen it up and get everything working better, so it then works - sort of.

The easy, short term "fix" is to crack up the closing adjustment. BETTER YET - look at everything, clean it up, tighten all the bolts that have loosened and then lubricate with oil (not WD40). That should do it and you may even be able to re-adjust the operaying power a little looser so it will be safer.

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diggitydog 11-21-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joasis (Post 24288)
Step one: Pull the door release and operate the door manually...see if it is binding up...if it is easy to operate without the opener, then you have an operator problem.

Thanks, I did this already and the door operates pretty smoothly by hand. However, it is a bit heavy and doesn't stay open without my holding it open at any position on the track.....perhaps the springs are out of adjustment. It is my understanding that the door should hang on its own about 3 to 4 feet off of the ground where the springs and the weight of the door are in equilibrium.
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Originally Posted by joasis (Post 24288)
With the door released, cycle the opener up and down and watch the trolley on the track and see if it is smothly moving the full distance.

When cycling the opener this way, the screw track and opener both shake/vibrate quite a bit....it seems there may be a kink or bend in the screw and this is causing additional friction/resistance, as well.
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Originally Posted by joasis (Post 24288)
...if the operator (opener) jerks or the trolley catches and isn't smooth, then you have a sensor problem or the screw needs lubricated, etc.....check all of these and see what you find.

The sensors don't seem to be a problem because the opener does cycle fully when the door is unlatched.
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Originally Posted by concretemasonry (Post 24297)
The easy, short term "fix" is to crack up the closing adjustment.

Problem is that this is an older opener so the power adjusting screws are not on the unit. From what I can tell, you have to adjust it with a large plastic nut on the back of the opener. I've already got the thing cranked as tight as it will go.
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Originally Posted by concretemasonry (Post 24297)
BETTER YET - look at everything, clean it up, tighten all the bolts that have loosened and then lubricate with oil (not WD40). That should do it and you may even be able to re-adjust the operaying power a little looser so it will be safer.
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I'll lube up the rollers, track, screw and continue to play around with it. Hopefully, I'll be able to get to it over the holiday weekend. With all the family and friends in town it may be hard to find some time.

Thanks much for your replies,
Dave

joasis 11-21-2006 12:19 PM

I cannot stress enough that spring tension, unless you have the old "extension springs" is not something to be jacked with under any condition. Not 3 weeks ago, I went out to repair a door after a guy tried to tighten up the springs himself. He went to the emergency room and lost a few teeth when the screwdriver he was trying to hold the spring tension slipped out of the pocket in the spring collar. He had no idea of the force these springs are under, and he didn't know when we wind them, we use bars that fit exactly, and a method to insure that if one comes out, it won't kill us.

Another thing about torsion springs, and this is for all of you who happen upon this post: The springs will age....meaning as they get old, they can and will loose some tension. Call a garage door guy for a service call.....you can't imagine what a spring looks like after it has been over-tightened and explodes in pieces....it can kill people.

I am not picking on the original poster, diggitydog, but this is a general statement about overhead garage doors. I will not ever tell anyone online how to set up and wind springs.....they show this stuff done on the DIY shows, and HGTV, but it is not a DIY project. The overhead doors purchased from Lowes and HD are usually extension spring doors will decent instructions, and those can hurt you. In my area, I charge a $100 and upto install a door, and takes me an hour or more a door to do it....but I have installed them for years, and I know exactly what I am doing...when you look at a door and think to yourself it isn't that hard, remember these words of wisdom here, and call a door guy!

KUIPORNG 11-21-2006 01:05 PM

I have similar problem last week, and I thought it is because of lack of lubrication or non-sufficient resistant force, and then I do both adjustment and it is still not working...

I also felt the sensor is not the problem of the source as there is no blinking or anything... but after I do some adjustment on the sensors... it work no problem... here is what I suspect: the sensor has no problem if everything is steady... but once the door start to move and everything vibrate, the sensor eye may lose connection in a milli seconds and door reverese... so the conclusion is the sensor eye must be aligned to a way which is with good covering that can overcome minor vibration... I did find my sesor eye drop a little bit... so I put its head up and tightened up the screw... it's been working for a week not a single failurer since... may be you want to try that...

diggitydog 11-21-2006 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by joasis (Post 24348)
I cannot stress enough that spring tension, unless you have the old "extension springs" is not something to be jacked with under any condition....

...when you look at a door and think to yourself it isn't that hard, remember these words of wisdom here, and call a door guy!

Thanks joasis, for the words of warning (I know that you weren't singling me out). Just to clarify, I had no intention of adjusting the springs myself.

I'm hoping I can get the door to function well enough through the winter without calling a door guy because next year I plan on doing a major overhaul to the entire garage. I plan on adding a 3rd stall, upgrade the electrical service, insulate the walls, hang drywall, etc. At that time, I'll replace the double wide door with one that matches the new door on the 3rd stall. I'll upgrade openers at that time as well. Of course, I'll have a professional doing all of this work.

I only want to limp this opener/door along for about 4 to 6 more months until we start the garage upgrade next spring.

BTW, do you have any suggestions on openers? Good brands? Screw drive vs. chain, etc? I'd like to start thinking about which setup I'm going to use in the new garage.

joasis 11-21-2006 05:06 PM

I like the Genie screw drives myself, I don't like cable or chain drives...but remember, if I need an operator, I buy a liftmaster from my supplier. I have installed several Genie screw drives, and they are fine...just set an hour aside to asssemble it.

I don't run an overhead door company, I am a contractor who happens to install doors in new construction mostly, and have done a lot of service work in my own town, since the closest door service is 20 miles. Typical of the doors we install are up to 24 feet wide and 18 feet high. Not your everyday home garage door. Good luck with it, I think when you lube the screw...you will not have a problem.

HarryHarley 11-21-2006 09:37 PM

I only want to limp this opener/door along for about 4 to 6 more months until we start the garage upgrade next spring.

All wise responces here. You'll definitly get as many months as you need with the old door. The last resort is ya just gotta raise and lower by had like we "used" to do. Good luck with your remodel and be carefull.

dougrus 11-22-2006 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by joasis (Post 24348)
I cannot stress enough that spring tension, unless you have the old "extension springs" is not something to be jacked with under any condition.

Sorry, just needed to share. A year ago I was sitting in my living room watching the tube and I hear this noise to end all noises...It sounded like someone had driven a car into the back wall of the house where it meets the garage. Went out and looked and saw a torsion spring laying on the ground and very significant gash in the plaster. Ahhhhh ya.....not a DIY project.:no:

redline 11-22-2006 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by diggitydog (Post 24266)
I have an automatic garage door opener that continues to reverse itself when attempting to 'CLOSE' the door. It'll go down a bit and then start to bring the door back up.

Thanks,
Dave



If this is happening when it is trying to close the door then it sounds like the springs can be ruled out. If the springs were the major problem then it would happen when the door was being opened. Gravity helps the door to close.

I would look at rollers. Over time the ball bearings in the rollers become worn. They may be binding up as the door tries to close. Change the worn rollers and also look at the rails to see if they are out of alignment.

joasis 11-22-2006 06:29 AM

There is a guy I met who had a huge scar on his arm....he missed the lecture on red is left, black is right (and if you don't know what I am talking about, you don't need to ask) and wound the cone out of the spring. I guess the end of the spring dug a path through his arm as it re-coiled. Ouch.

I cannot believe in this day and age of product liability, Lowes and HD sell overhead doors...there is more potential for injury and damage with OHD's then just about anything else....but I have seen their new extension spring models, and they have a plastic winch that a cordless (or corded) drill will wind tension to adjust the door...just about idiot proof if they read the instructions. I have not personally seen one, but I understand that there is a drill operated mechanical winder that stays on the tension bar...supposed to eliminate the winding bars....of course, raise the prices of the doors...they won't give a rebate on the product liability insurance they now pay.

boman47k 11-25-2006 07:31 PM

Just curious, does this door have a coupler for the screw? Something was said about it wobbling or making a noise or something.

diggitydog 11-27-2006 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by boman47k (Post 24765)
Just curious, does this door have a coupler for the screw? Something was said about it wobbling or making a noise or something.

I don't understand what you mean by the door having a "coupler for the screw".

The opener shakes quite a bit during the open/close cycle because the track and screw are bent just a little bit. So when the screw rotates it does so "out of round". Kind of like a tire that has uneven wear or is unbalanced and begins to wobble at speed.

BTW, after messing with the old Genie and continually running into problems with door reversal, poor tension adjustment, old ground sensors, bent track, fixed remote codes, I bit the bullet and replaced the opener on Sunday after all of the family was gone from the holiday weekend. Sears had an after Thanksgiving special so I purchased the higher end 1/2 hp Craftsman chain drive for $129.99 after rebate. I thought it was a pretty good deal, so I went ahead with it.

Very happy with the new opener so far :thumbsup: even though it is chain drive.

boman47k 11-27-2006 12:09 PM

Glad you got the problem solved.

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I don't understand what you mean by the door having a "coupler for the screw".
I was thinking the Genie had a sleeve like piece that slid over a part of the screw to keep it from making noise and to keep it in line. My son left it off one once , and it made a big racket when in use. This piece being left off made the screw wobble and the door was slow to open and close. Sounded like it was coming apart.


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