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Old 06-10-2006, 10:35 PM   #31
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I install doors and windows for a living 5 or 6 days a week with 6 crews. In the course of a year, we install several thousand doors and windows. If a contractor from Lowes or Home Depot gives you advise, they are trying to prevent a "call back" due to a poor product. They do not make money on a "up-sale". If you complain to either company after your install about a product issue, the contractor will waste a ton of time dealing with a issue that he tried to prevent before the install. There are only two times a installer from either place will give you product advise;

#1. They will try to get you to buy a product that is quick to install. Poorly made (cheap) products take longer to install. Good products are made square and are generally free of defects, hence a quicker install.

#2. They will try to get you to buy a product that they can install and never worry about repair issues. Once again poor products fail and good products generally will last and not have service issues.

Call around to Home Depot installers, they will try to get you to buy Andersen.
Call around to Lowes installers, they will try to get you to buy Pella wood products (not the vinyl !).

good product+proper install=happy customer

cheap product+good install=happy customer until the product fails and they now have to buy a good product and pay for the labor again.

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Old 06-11-2006, 09:48 PM   #32
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Wondreing if yea think the Jeld-Wen Frech doors are Cheap?
Reliabilt is made by Jeld-Wen so I feel that the doors are Ok and not Cheap.....
The contractors wanted me to buy the Sliding doors that are made by Jeld-Wen with the blinds built into them.Until I found out that the Reliabilt doors are made by Jeld-Wen..
The few of the Lowes that I called were very surpised that there were problems with the Reliabilt with Blinds built into them....And most said that it must be the installer thats screwing them up....
Glad I am getting therma tru french doors with Blinds from a local dealer that will install the doors and take the old doors away for $200....
I was so happy I gave them my Business to install my Hardwood flooring by BRUCE......Lowes wanted around $9.00 a foot installed and my local guy is giving me them at $5.50 a foot installed....Same flooring....It pays to shop around other then the Big stores and maybe get better prices....The company said that they have installed many
therma tru French doors so I feel pretty good.......But this is the first french doors with blinds that they are installing...Hope everything goes ok....JT

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Old 06-11-2006, 11:20 PM   #33
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jonny, therma tru doors are good, just order them with the jamb saver. The bottom 10" or so is not wood so they will not weep water. The regular wood on sill doors tend to weep/wick water into the jambs causing early rot/decay. Good choice on the door.
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Thanks for the OK on the doors Fhivinylwindows

Glad I found a little Windows and Flooring Store that sold the Therma-Tru doors with the Blinds inside of them...
And glad that the Little store can install and remove the old door at $200.
I just gave the little store the Lowes measurements that i paid $30 for and they ordered it.
funny Lowes calls a Basic Install is $450 and the installers wanted around $900 for the install
and on their list they say the Dump is $47.72 Extrea labor,
Remove Existing Kick Plates $47.62 Extra Labor
Extend Jamb and custom Make oak interior saddle $142.86
Custom make exterior Case & Cap in standard color coil $102.04
Basic install $475.00
Now if that sounds right let me know,,,,,they did lots of writing and didnot say anything about the extra fees...
My local dealer didnot say anything about extra fees and if there are I am sure that they will be alot less....Thanks Jt

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Let me know how it turns out.
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Old 06-19-2006, 09:11 PM   #36
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I had the Installer come today.
He measured the door he was installing and the one that was coming off.He said the door is a few Inchs wider and also higher....
He called his company up and they said install it,but i think he would have wanted to replace it....It took him a lot of extra time cutting just to make the door fit.Great to only pay $200 for install....Too me it looks great and so it took him over 3 hours to put it in ,,,,he did not have time to finish my hardwood flooring until tomorrow,and he does not get paid till the job is done lol....I cannot beleave all the hard work these guys do,I am sure they are not over paid....JT
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Therma-Tru doors are great looking....didnot know how well the door looked after they finished the flooring and PUT the MOLDING on inside of the door and walls and the MOLDING outside looks great too.
I think tthat they did a great job,I am glad i went with Hardwood flooring instead of the Pergo Type of flooring.Nothing beats real wood I guess.They say the outside is PAINTED white(not a Primer I guess}.
I want to keep it white so i guess I will leave it alone but the inside looks good and wondering is thats Primed and can I get away from painting it???Yea all have been a great help....JohnnyThunders
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Is the jamb also pre-painted or just primed? If it is just primed, you will want to get paint on it asap or the sun/uv will kill the primer.
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I think the door outside is the only thing painted...
I guess I will have to paint the Trim soon,Whats the Jamb?Its that the Trim?....Thanks JT
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the wood frame of the door is the jamb. Be careful not to paint the weather seal strips or they will crack.
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Just wondering if you got your door? I've been searching everywhere for a french door with a screen...checked all the places you looked at (homedepot, lowes etc.) and I am curious to know how you like your door?? Please email me as it would be greatly appreciated!! I am at my wits end~~new home owner, single mom of twins and everyone keeps tellin me how stupid I am...that this door does not exist and to get a 'regular door with a storm door'~~I want what you all are talking about...please~~any information would be greatly, greatly appreciated!!!
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Hey guys,
I bought French doors from Dixieline a month ago, and it only 989.00 installed. Did I get a good deal? I heard HD has some really bad doors and a very sucky return policy. What do you think?
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Handyjoe, is Dixieline a local brand or a local retailer?
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Sorry to bring this thread back to life....

I just thought I would share my experience with Lowes "Reliabuilt" (jeldwen) French inswing patio doors.

I purchased their top of the line french door; custom ordered to meet my opening.

Blinds in the door
Upgraded Weather stripping (magnetic)
Door Sweeps
Upgraded to the vinyl cladding on the brick molding
Screen Doors...

Total came out to around $1160 (not including installation)

I installed the door with a friend. We installed it properly; perfectly square and leveled and caulked to the house. I even made my own drip pan out of galvanized steel. (for future reference just go and buy Pella's flashing tape, way easier) Or buy the plastic drip pan that Jeldwen makes for the door; I have no clue where it's sold though. I also foamed the door in.

Things I noticed about the door immediately upon getting it home...

1. It came with the wrong installation instructions. (I had to order them).

2. It was completely missing the top sliding rail for the screen doors.

3. The instructions say you cannot screw into upgraded vinyl cladding for the brick mold or it will void your warranty. Yet to install the top screen door rail it says to screw into the brick molding... ?!?!? nice contradiction

4. The bolt locking mechanism for the secondary door is cheap.
a. it's not a bolt, it's a thin metal slot (rectangle)
b. the bottom bolt goes into PLASTIC (hollow threshold) which is at most 1/8" thick
c. the plastic where the bottom bolt goes will wear out VERY quickly as it only has a small surface area where the bolt hits it. if the bolt was round this wouldn't be an issue. But every time someone put pressure on the door (opening/closing) it will slowly wear out the hole you had to drill for the bolt.

5. Even with the upgraded air seals I could see light at the bottom of the door int he middle where they meet. The rubber gasket they have there is just inadequate. I tweaked it a bit until I saw no light; but it is just a matter of time until it doesn't seal again. The issue is not due to installation, it's just poor design of the door.

6. On the threshold of the door where the side casing meet it says "do not caulk here". Which makes sense if they sealed it, which they did. But they used a foam strip sealer. When water hits foam it wicks into it. Unfortunately that foam goes all the way into the house... so it ends up wicking water inside the house.

If you install one of these doors and you know the door is going to get directly hit with water. I highly suggest installing/make a drip pan!

When the other installers were saying the door would leak they were not lying. If you study the seals at the bottom of the door in the center where the doors meet you can see it will leak air/water. It's just not a great design...

We had 4 days where it rained pretty heavy. And sure enough water started leaking in through the center seals of the door.

I returned the door and got a pella 850 series french. The design is night and day to the Reliabuilt jeldwen door. After this experience you can guarantee I studied the designs a lot better (I would like to give credit to Lowes who took the old door back no questions asked when I told them it leaked. They also gave me a large discount on the Pella door for my trouble! Lowes will definitely get more business from me!)

If you take the time to look you'll see the major differences; just focus on the threshold, seals and where the doors meet at the bottom.

Easy things to notice... (pella vs reliabuilt) Anderson makes a door that is just as good from what I saw. I just liked the fit and finish/feel of the pella better.

1. Pella has a 40 degree (approx) threshold grade to get the rain water off the threshold. Reliabuilt has barely any grade on it...
2. Pella has a mini gutter system inside the threshold just in case anything does get in to expel it to the outside.
3. Pella doors seal completely around all of the edges basically leaving no chance for rain to penetrate. The Reliabuilt door leaves a lot to be desired for it's sealing at the bottom and where the doors meet.
4. The Pella deadbolt system makes the the Reliabuilt look like garbage; there is NO comparison

In the end, if you have a large overhang and the door will not get a lot of direct rainfall you can get by with the Reliabuilt. But if you are like me where the door is fully exposed and just had your wood oak floors redone you probably don't want to try and save the extra $1500 or so. In the end it will end up costing you more....

Any lessons learned for me? Ya... get down on your knees and inspect the products you are buying. It's so easy to go shopping and see some $$ savings but miss some major design differences.

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Johnn: Just to set the record straight. Somebody is either not up to speed or mis speaking :}

Reli-built, Jen-weld brands are the same company. Both brands are made byt the same major company. The better known brand is CARADCO. Jen-weld is the master umbrella or holding company.

A note to Teetor's comment: make shure the foam is NON EXPANDING FOAM. Make very shure, expanding foam will buckle the door jambs.
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