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Old 12-30-2006, 08:51 PM   #31
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Proprietary information?, what do you have the secret formula for New Coke?.

I think you guys have the wrong impression, i'm not interested in viewing your labor hours breakdown, depreciation expense, materials cost, your contractors discount at the local shop or your markup. I just want to have a friendly conversation which covers licensing, insurance, references and an outline of what the estimate entails.I
never said nor implied that I wanted a detailed estimate with all costs specifically laidout. On the other hand, in this day of contractors running off with clients cash and half completed jobs and shoddy workmanship, it is in my best interest to ask how he intends to complete said project.

Too many honest people get taken by NOT asking questions and NOT
holding contractors accountable.

You my friend, appear to be the poster boy for why I ask detailed questions and cover my a$$.

The good guys out there won't take your money when you offer to pay for estimating time(which I always do) and will answer every question with a smile.
Thanks much to those guys.
Cheers!
I dont blame you one bit. If I bring my vehicle in to a mechanic to get serviced, I sure as hell want to know what they're going to fix before getting charged. I dont want to hear "We'll take care of the problem,and replace some parts for $400 dollars. But we wont tell you what parts."
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Old 12-30-2006, 10:48 PM   #32
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Actually brickie, most agree he SHOULD NOT be charged full price. Depreciation or no charge won out over full price of blade. Check your numbers.

Go back & reread the all the posts. It is quite clear that the overwhelming majority agree with "The price is the price. Don't like the quote? Get other quotes." In addition, the TOP vote getter & WINNER of your flawed poll at 47% is yes!

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Old 12-30-2006, 11:46 PM   #33
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Mechanics use a different system, for better or worse, just like doctors. In the contracting business, we do not get the luxury of quoting a project and then raising the price at a later date unless it is a cost plus job.

The quote is given to complete the job at a set price. Sometimes the contractor makes money and sometimes he doesn't, but the ones who do generally do not provide the customer with a material and labor breakdown.
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Old 12-31-2006, 07:52 AM   #34
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I don't think it's the cost of the blade.I think after reading these and other posts,what he didn't want to tell you was the 400$ charge was for your attitude and what he thought it would cost him down the road.Frankly I would have charged more.
If you don't like the prices at Sears go to Walmart.That doesn't make Sears crooked.I have those I'm responsible for.My family,my employees,my employees families.If I don't make money they don't go without new windows,they go without period.I don't have new windows,why should I give them away.My charity goes to those in need.
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Old 12-31-2006, 08:14 AM   #35
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None of my business????

You are out of your mind!

If you told me you would do the job for say $6000.00 flat than you would be right. I could weigh the price and decide if it worked. None of my business how you arrived at it.

On the other hand, an estimate is just that, a rough guess, Price not guaranteed. You know as well as I that quotes can be all over the place and the lowest quote isnt necessarily the best quote. How is the average person supposed to know if the estimate is good or not if they don't ask what is in it?. I hire quality tradesman with good references, insurance, full licensing, and a name they stand behind. That costs money and its fine, in fact, thats what I want,tradesmen who stand behind their name and reputation. I find it VERY hard to believe both Brickie/Tscar, if asked, would refuse to divulge the particulars of an estimate. Do you two have so much work lined up and so little respect for your business' name that you can come off as combative and abrasive?. I have never run into a pro who refused to discuss his estimate, NEVER.

Lets think about it, if you don't have anything to hide, why be so evasive?. In the end, people are just afraid of being scammed and want to avoid it.

One last thing, every potential customer you piss-off with a take it or leave attitude is an instant ex-customer. AND, they do tell friends and family.
I hand out proposals,not estimates.I hide my mark up,just like the stores do.It's a no haggling point.Everybody wants to cut my price,take food off of my table and put it on theirs.When you buy a chair you don't ask how much the blade cost to cut the wood.Why should I tell you?
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Old 12-31-2006, 09:03 AM   #36
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Go back & reread the all the posts. It is quite clear that the overwhelming majority agree with "The price is the price. Don't like the quote? Get other quotes." In addition, the TOP vote getter & WINNER of your flawed poll at 47% is yes!
Ok brickie. You're a better man than I am. Is that what you want to hear?

Me, I'll keep doing what Im doing. I dont need to 'hide' costs and keep secrets from customers. If thats the way you want to operate, more power to ya. See ya in the funny pages.
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Ok brickie. You're a better man than I am. Is that what you want to hear?

Me, I'll keep doing what Im doing. I dont need to 'hide' costs and keep secrets from customers. If thats the way you want to operate, more power to ya. See ya in the funny pages.
6stringmason,
I appreciate the comments, you sound like a first-rate businessman and mason who understands the value of personal ethics.

Brickie,
You really counted each and every post on both DIY/CT??, AND viewed all of my previous posts?. I suppose I should feel honored.

Good Job
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Every job is a case by case story.You need to get the background to get the full story.
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I don't think it's the cost of the blade.I think after reading these and other posts,what he didn't want to tell you was the 400$ charge was for your attitude and what he thought it would cost him down the road.Frankly I would have charged more.
I agree tkle. What you have is a mechanic tring to act as a GC because NONE of the trades want to work for the guy!!! The only taker he had was HVAC, that's it! Check it out:

RE:ContractorTalk recent post:qualifying new business
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His opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. That is the beauty of the whole pre-contract transaction; Either party can walk away for any reason at any time.
and it sounds like they are...
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He also has the right to find out the cost of the job on his own.I don't need to disclose what's common knowledge.
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so you're saying you want to see better breakdowns, he showed you a breakdown, and you're obviously not gonna go with him now....

so in essence he screwed himself and would have had better luck hiding any fees he wanted in the form of a total bid...

coming from just a homeowner i'd pass out paying $400 for a bit, but I could handle it as just a general fee...
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I am a union refractory bricklayer and as for the blade the 18" diamond refactory blade cost about $600 but refractory brick is much harder. You can buy the skillsaw diamond blades for about $25 a piece which would work fine for what your doing. As for the cost breakdown why would anyone care? If i'm hiring someone to do a job i'm only interested in the final price. I don't care how much the guy pay's for material or labor just what he charges me for the total job. My dad is a general contractor and has no problem discussing prices of material or labor but if you wanted a breakdown of cost he'd probably tell you to do it yourself or find someone else.
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