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Old 09-01-2009, 07:46 PM   #91
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"Defogging" double-pane windows .... a gimmick??


I am sure this thread is long and dead, but I just drilled out a badly condensed kitchen window and thought I would share that process and ask a few questions at the same time.

I didn't have any of the stuff required, so I had to buy drill, bits, tubing, syringe, etc. My total cost was something like $15. This is why:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=94076

That dude right there will put holes in your windows without having to buy an $80 dremmel. I am sure this won't last as long as a dremmel, but it sure spins faster and strong enough to bore out glass. It comes with the diamond bits as well.

I set the dremmel in place on the upper-left corner (inside) and began drilling with the cone shaped bit. It took about 5 minutes to come through and made a 2mm hole (roughly). Then I did the bottom right corner (inside). 10 mins and $10 later, I had access to the cavity of my double-pane window.

Mind you the window had so much vapor in it that it was constantly wet. It literally looked like my double-pane was a single pane on a rainy day. I took my syringe and stuck it in the hole and shot 10ml of windex right into some condensation. Bang, instant clarity. That was the end of that because my syringe only shot maybe 6 inches in this 29" pane of glass. I decided to hunt down 1/8"OD tubing...heh.

NO SUCH ANIMAL EXISTS IN MY PART OF THE WORLD. I couldn't find it to save my life. I thought either I'd have to just fill up the window or make the hole bigger. Instead I got some of this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=98073 except in 1/4" variety and heated it. using its 2:1 shrink ration, I got my 1/8" tubing relatively easy. I ran it in the window and sprayed most what I could reach. The problem I have is my window has crossbracing and this stops the spray and tubing from going past halfway in the window. Next step is to flood the window and drain it.

My question to you all is how long did it take after cleaning for the condensation to dissappear? I let mine sit all weekend and it really didn't change. I did make the holes a little bigger tonight (probably 3/16"). These defogging companies state they make 2mm holes, a tad bigger than 1/8" I suppose. I figure this is worth a shot considering i'm only out $14 and the time spent vs a $120 window. Thoughts?


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Old 09-05-2009, 01:40 PM   #92
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Loved your post! Especially the last sentence...

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Old 09-08-2009, 07:03 PM   #93
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I'm going to give this a try on this guy:



Has anyone used a variable speed drill with a 3/16" cobalt and tungsten carbide tip drill bit? I don't have a dremel, but do have those 2 pieces of equipment.

The last thing I want to do is crack this puppy and make it look even worse than it already does. If a dremel is a requirement over a drill I'm happy to go and buy one.

Thanks in advance, and once again, great thread!
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:17 PM   #94
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Let me strongly suggest you get one of those $9 rotary drills from Harbor Freight. You'll need the speed to cleanly drill through the glass. I though about using my regular drill to through glass but it looked harder to control and a little less precise. It took about 4 mins per hole with that Harbor Freight tool.

BTW, my window has cleared completely. it took about 1 week to do so. Now off to find "valves"...probably 3M gause tape.

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I'm going to give this a try on this guy:



Has anyone used a variable speed drill with a 3/16" cobalt and tungsten carbide tip drill bit? I don't have a dremel, but do have those 2 pieces of equipment.

The last thing I want to do is crack this puppy and make it look even worse than it already does. If a dremel is a requirement over a drill I'm happy to go and buy one.

Thanks in advance, and once again, great thread!
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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=94076

BTW, here is the tool. You can order online to have shipped. I would stick with that. That's not to say that the regular drill wouldn't work, but why change it up when you are nearly guaranteed a clean hole with a $10 tool? it comes with several diamond bits.
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Thanks for the reply, I actually found an old black and decker rotary tool ( dremel like ) that I got as a gift about 10 years ago and promptly forgot about. I bought a $3 dremel bit from Home Depot and made 2 holes in opposing corners of the window.

It was no problem at all, each hole took about 10-15 mins, I used little to no pressure and let the tool do the work, the holes are really clean.

I'll wait for the window to defog and then decide if I need to clean it with a syringe before adding some kind of valve / tape solution.

Thanks again for a great thread, I'll post pics of my process start to finish once I'm done.
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Thanks for the reply, I actually found an old black and decker rotary tool ( dremel like ) that I got as a gift about 10 years ago and promptly forgot about. I bought a $3 dremel bit from Home Depot and made 2 holes in opposing corners of the window.

It was no problem at all, each hole took about 10-15 mins, I used little to no pressure and let the tool do the work, the holes are really clean.

I'll wait for the window to defog and then decide if I need to clean it with a syringe before adding some kind of valve / tape solution.

Thanks again for a great thread, I'll post pics of my process start to finish once I'm done.
I should have made pics of mine. I am astounded with the results. I literally had water droplet running down between my panes. It looked like someone was getting up before me every day and spraying inside the window pane with a garden hose. 1 week later and absolutely no moisture. One thing I will recommend is that you let all the moisture in there dry out before trying to clean. Had I done this, I wouldn't have to clean it out now. I actually inserted more junk in the window than was originally there.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:58 AM   #98
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Drilled my holes with no problem and waited 9 days...so far the fogging in the window has not really improved, it's changed ( got better, then worse ) a few times, but overall is not improved.

Next stop is to make the drilled holes larger I think...any other advice?

Thanks!
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Drilled my holes with no problem and waited 9 days...so far the fogging in the window has not really improved, it's changed ( got better, then worse ) a few times, but overall is not improved.

Next stop is to make the drilled holes larger I think...any other advice?

Thanks!
I'd wait more. Mine took about 15 days. If you make the holes bigger, you can't make them smaller again.
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Well, sadly this isn't working for me. I've tried making the holes larger which helped initially. However, the window seems to be in a perpetual state of gradual defogging which is most pronounced in the areas closest to the holes, then next morning back to square one.

Not sure if there's anything else I can try before I bite the expensive new pane bullet - I really hoped this would work.

The holes I have are a little over 1/8 of an inch in the top right / bottom left of the window, not sure if I could make them any bigger. I guess the size of the window could be a problem, it's a big one, I'm guessing 5ft tall and 2ft wide.

Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!
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Did you ever find a solution to your fog problem in the windows? I have the same thing and refuse to pay some idiot a ton of money for something simple. I got the drilling 2mm holes part, but what do I use to clean the inside? I hope you found something that works, because these defogging companies are a total rip off!!
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susanhough - this didn't really work for me, I suspect that my window is too large for the process - it's about 5ft tall by 2ft wide. It has worked for plenty of people though so I would give it a shot for sure, nothing to lose if you do it carefully.

I currently have 2 holes in my window ( both about 1/8 inch diameter ), one top right, one bottom left. Does anyone think this may work better for such a large window if I open up 2 more holes so I have 1 hole in each of the 4 corners? Maybe open 2 more on each side halfway up also? As it stands right now the window is still well fogged after at least 3 weeks of having the original 2 holes opened.

Any help is very gratefully received. Anyone? Anyone?
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I have been following this post for a while now and I am still skeptical as to how this is accomplished. I had replied a while back see below.

I have read a few comments on this subject. Quite interesting. In the comments that state that this system works, did the fogged unit have low e coating? Was it a hard coat or soft coat? Low e is a micro thin metallic material. In the soft coats, the failed unit, due to the presence of moisture begin to oxydize(rust). Just curious as how this is handled.
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