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Old 05-10-2008, 08:18 PM   #31
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Why does everyone on this forum mistake lack of knowledge for bad intentions. It seems like there's a lot of disgruntled contractors here.

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Old 05-10-2008, 08:36 PM   #32
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....It seems like there's a lot of disgruntled contractors here.
No, not really.

Clearly, by your questions, this is a new situation for you...

There are professional members on this site, that have been dealing with clients and home owners for 25 years or more. That equates to thousands of clients, jobs, contracts, conversations and interactions with people on a business level in the home-improvement/remodeling/building industry.

You are are new to this, and obviously inexperienced in this area, and you asked your questions. Some helpful, experienced, and patient professional members (people who do verbal and written home improvement contracts & jobs for a LIVING) have taken the time, and offered their answers. You do not accept their points & take your stand that you are right, and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong, and must be a disgruntled contractor.

You asked in the title of your post: "Contractor Price Fair or Not?"

IMHO: You seem like you are the one that is unfair.

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Old 05-10-2008, 08:52 PM   #33
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I am a contractor on here and I am not disgruntled.

I think why some of us on here come off that way is we see people get themselves in bad situations and then don't understand why things went south. I'm NOT saying this is your situation. What it comes down to, there are too many people that try to take shortcuts without contracts, unlicensed workers and no permits. That is asking for trouble. Does trouble happen every time? No. But by hiring the proper people AND taking the correct steps of making sure the individuals you are paying are licensed (when available), and fully insured, you are minimizing the risk. GET PERMITS!!!! When you have inspectors checking the work of your contractor, it's like an extra layer of protection. When a home owner tries to save a few bucks, things can go wrong. They are screwed and then licensed professionals get a bad rap because we're put into the same category as the hack that screwed things up.
You as the home owner have the opportunity to protect yourself from the beginning. Get EVERYTHING in writing FIRST. Sign a contract that YOU'RE comfortable with. Ask to see any and all permits. Ask to see proof of insurance for your contractor AND any subs that may be involved too.

Truly professional contractors want the situation that way too. It is frustrating for us (especially those of us on this forum) hearing about home owners getting screwed. But how sorry can we really feel when they CHOOSE to not have licensed, insured contractors with permits?

Your home is a HUGE investment, why wouldn't you want things done properly? To try and save a few hundred here and there with "on the side" jobs doesn't make sense. If that makes me disgruntled to feel that way, then I guess I am.

If you want to save some $$$ on home projects, try doing them yourself. THAT'S the major function of this website. We're not here to help you and your chosen side job guy work things out. We're here to answer questions you have on tackling home projects on your own.

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It seems like there's a lot of disgruntled contractors here.
That is clearly not the case. Just read the thread below and the truth will set you free.

Is My Contractor Ripping Me Off???
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:30 PM   #35
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This is a DIY forum. That thread was closed for a good reason. It was another "did I get ripped off" post. Those obviously don't do so well here. We are here to assist DIYers like yourself. We try to answer questions from home owners about projects they are attempting themselves and like to see pictures of completed projects like yours. beer_geek, why do you want to stir things up more? There's no need for that. Can't we just move on.......
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True, these types of threads, along with the "How much to..." ones, are not what we are about here at DIYChat
Personally, I only allow them to try and educate homeowners and paycheck collectors as to what the business owners like contractor have as expenses, and how much it really costs to be in, and/or own business
Or, in a case such as this, how important a thing like a contract is for the contractee, not just the contractor

As we do not want to wield a heavy moderating hand in any threads (short of rule violations), we generally let them go on and hope the opportunity for education will present itself

Regardless of who, if anyone, is in the wrong in the OP, I think this OP is an excellent example of why it is so very important for both parties to have a signed contract
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This is why we are licensed in the first place. Here in California, the state license board (CSLB) is part of the California State Department of Consumer Affairs. Their primary task (after insuring that a contractor is competent to be licensed, has been properly tested, etc.) is to protect homeowners (although some will say it's to collect fees which is a stupid argument proffered by non-licensed hacks).

http://www.cslb.ca.gov/

Every home improvement contract written in California has EXTENSIVE language mandated by the Business and Professions Code, designed to very clearly provide the homeowner with detailed information regarding all of their rights (including rights of refusal, contract termination, etc) under the law. These mandates include the specific language that MUST be in the contract, where the language must be found, even the typeface and point size of the font are defined.

Additionally, there are numerous publications available to consumers to educate them as to their rights and the requirements of the contractor, including all forms of recourse available should a dispute arise.

Also, when I bid a job, I must have my pocket license card on my person and be ready to produce it as well as be prepared to direct the client to the board either by phone or the website so my license status can be checked, etc.

Check the website out, particularly the Consumer tab for more info.

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Old 05-11-2008, 08:13 AM   #38
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There's a window that needs to be replaced that he never got to. Is this part of this job or will he charge me for a whole new job. The place could use some paint but I didn't want to add it. But since it's by job, why don't I just add it in. That's not even mentioning the fact that the carpets are badly stained, but he doesn't do carpeting. My property manager doesn't think this needs to be replaced, but I doubt the stains will come out. And my air conditioner is going to be $2300.

You see my point. What he did is far from everything that I need done. It doesn't seem like I'll be making any money off of this place, and I wonder if I'll even break even. And who knows what the tenants will do that will require another $1500. It's not like I'm living in this place. I need quick, cheap fixes for some things. By the way, he's been paid, if I wasn't clear. I'm talking about whether I'll continue with the other repairs.

But my main question is, is there a minimum set on what licensed contractors do, or do they usually do it hourly?
You do not hire contractors by the hour. Contracting by nature is about giving a fixed price to perform a service. The profit is based on how efficiently the contractor can bang out the work.

As for the extent of your profitability of this investment, nobody is forcing you to do this.
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Obviously some more direct communication was needed -- along with detailed written estimates - before the job started. Here's a link that gives some general ideas on costs for various projects. Not sure if it exactly fits your, but it gives you an idea. There are always variables with any project, but this guideline should help.

http://www.oldhouseweb.com/stories/Detailed/268.shtml
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This is a DIY forum. We are here to assist DIYers like yourself. We try to answer questions from home owners about projects they are attempting themselves and like to see pictures of completed projects like yours.

Here we go again, first thing I see when I wander in is a "Did my contractor rip me off? thread"

Angus has it - the contractors on this forum are here to help DIY's on their own projects. If you hire a contractor, you are not a DIYer. Maybe you can bring up this topic on Iwannawhineaboutmycontractor.com

And after reading about the work involved and the price involved, your contractor doesn't know how to price projects to produce a profit. (Lookie beergeek, alliteration!!) Not everybody has to work for WalMart wages...

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