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Old 09-30-2009, 10:22 AM   #16
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Co. installing my impact windows measured all wrong. Now they want to "rig" them in.


Why are you willing to accept improperly sized windows? A steep discount at the very least is warranted. However, I personally would never accept a screw up like this. Somebody screwed up and they want you to eat it.

Bringing up the "taking you to court" thing could be taken as a bit confrontational. But that is water under the bridge.

I would also take Scuba Dave's advice and call your building inspector too.

Hope it works out for you and please report back what eventually happens.
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Old 09-30-2009, 10:35 AM   #17
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So if there is a 3/4 inch gap on all sides, then it would not pass code ??
You need to contact your building Inspector & ask them
They are the ones that will be inspecting this
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Old 09-30-2009, 10:53 AM   #18
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The reason why I agreed to this is because they told me that some gaps are normal. I contacted the building department and spoke to a senior permite inspector and he said it's normal sometimes for the windows to be smaller than the opening and all they have to do is just to place 2x buck around the CBS opening to facilitate the window going in right. The important part is fastening the 2x buck to the CBS using the approved fasteners that have to meet tough codes down here. Buck is used all the time to fill in gaps, so I don't see the big deal anymore. Yes, I was very hesitant in the beginning, but now that I educated myself about windows and talked to the building department, I feel more comfortable proceeding. Does this make sense ?
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:09 AM   #19
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From your original post, you said the owner was modifying the aluminum around the actual windows, not the opening. Does this compute to modifying the 2x buck? I doubt aluminum will support the same as a 2x. Most contracts have the phrase "work to be done in a professional and journeyman type manner. Mismeasuring the windows does not meet this criteria in my mind.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:18 AM   #20
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Sorry. I am completely green when it comes to window installation. NO, he is not going to "modify" the aluminum, only put 2x buck around the opening to "frame it" That's all.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:39 AM   #21
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Building Inspector says OK
Only 1/2-3/4" gap is much better then the 2" I thought
In some cases people install another 2x4 on one side or bottom to install a smaller window
Key is as you said making sure that the 2x filler is installed correctly to the existing studs
This then makes a sturdy installation

All seems better & makes sense
I still think they possibly owe you a discount (not steep) for the delay & issue
But if you are happy & passes inspection that is the main thing
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:08 PM   #22
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Scuba Dave...yeah, the pictures look worse than it actually is. On another note, I noticed the house you are re-doing. That's a lot of work ! Is that balloon frame construction ? Do the studs run the entire height of the structure ?
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:42 PM   #23
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The reason why I agreed to this is because they told me that some gaps are normal. I contacted the building department and spoke to a senior permite inspector and he said it's normal sometimes for the windows to be smaller than the opening and all they have to do is just to place 2x buck around the CBS opening to facilitate the window going in right. The important part is fastening the 2x buck to the CBS using the approved fasteners that have to meet tough codes down here. Buck is used all the time to fill in gaps, so I don't see the big deal anymore. Yes, I was very hesitant in the beginning, but now that I educated myself about windows and talked to the building department, I feel more comfortable proceeding. Does this make sense ?
Our local building department can get funky about anything more than 1/4" per side after bucks are installed.

We have to use those colored plastic "horseshoe" shims so they can easily tell the gap...

Blue: 1/16"
Red: 1/8"
Black: 1/4"
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:55 PM   #24
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Scuba Dave...yeah, the pictures look worse than it actually is. On another note, I noticed the house you are re-doing. That's a lot of work ! Is that balloon frame construction ? Do the studs run the entire height of the structure ?
No, standard framing - walls go up, then floor on top of walls
Then next wall on top of the floor.....repeated as needed
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IMO--I'm beginning to think that your contractor's "architect/architectural consultant" is himself. I would not call you confrontational at all, it's your house, your money, and you should have this job done correctly. In addtition to talking to the local permit/building inspection department, have you asked them to come look at this situation? There just might be a mis-understanding as to what the problem really is without seeing it. Good Luck, David
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:47 PM   #26
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Hey everyone...I am listening and paying attention to all your comments. I can't sleep right now because my mind is racing. My gut feeling is what all of you are telling me...that I should NOT accept these improperly sized windows. It's funny, because 2 days ago when the owner of the company called me, I was very firm with wanting my deposit back and he never really said NO to me. All he said was that it could be fixed and look perfect in the end AND pass inspection. For whatever reason, he convinced me and I had a change of heart.

It's funny what just 48 hours does to your thinking. Now I think I should just follow my gut feeling and demand my 2,800 dollar deposit back. My question though is this....yes, the windows are not the correct size. As mentioned before, the gaps around the window are anywhere from 1/2 inch all the way to almost nearly 1 inch....all the way around the entire frame of the window. You can see that in the pictures. Let's say he doesn't agree to give me back my deposit and we end up in court, is this variance enough for me to win in court ? I would think it would, but I want to make sure.

Dealing with this guy is like a thorn in my butt. I just want my deposit back. But what do I say now ? I already verbally agreed to go ahead with the installation. He is supposed to call me Thursday (tomorrow) to let me know if the intallers can make it on Friday. What do I say ? How do I handle this ?

Thanks everyone for your advice...there is a LOT of support on this forum and I really appreciate it.
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You will have these windows for a long time
Decide what you really want & go forward with that decision
If you want the windows originally promised then stick to that

1/2" total is not much
1/2" on each side is
1" IMO is too much for windows that were measured & supposed to fit existing opening
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by the way...the owner of the company is a certified general contractor licensed in Florida per records I just pulled up.
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Heydade,

Is getting your deposit back the only alternative you'd accept? I guess I am asking if you would be willing to work with this company to have them make the proper sized windows? Or did they rule that out completely.
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So if there is a 3/4 inch gap on all sides, then it would not pass code ??
Have you actually spoken with an inspector on the phone about this?

That should provide you with exact answers to many of these questions.

You won't be guessing, and Camilo will know you have the straight facts.
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