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Old 10-27-2011, 12:32 PM   #16
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Get a typical flat ceiling paint from an actual paint store and you are good to go. Paint and primer in one can is nothing more than a sales gimmick.
Key phrase highlighted in red. Read any of the Behrly paint posts at all on this site before buying that stuff. And indeed there is no such thing as primer and paint in one.

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I know Behr has primer inside the paint. is that good enough to cover semi gloss?

Primer INSIDE the paint, now that is a good one
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Rumor has it HD plans to prove primer and paint are in the same can by putting a lid on both the bottom and the top. If you turn the can upside down and stir the chemicals, an alkyd oil based primer will materialize. If you open the top and stir, the chemistry changes so you have flat, satin or semi-gloss 100 percent acrylic latex---easily applied without running and sagging. You can switch back and forth just by opening the correct lid.

First shipments are to be delivered to non-believers and skeptical pro painters by on Christmas Eve (Yes Virginia...). As an added incentive, HD will provide the amazing self-applicator to the first 50,000 painters who endorse the product. Just set the can in the middle of the room on the spinning platform and it will apply itself to walls and ceilings without any brushwork, roller lap marks or spray gaps.

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Something I've always told our customers' that inquire about this matter....

"How does the primer in the can know how to get to the wall FIRST?!?!?"

I work at a very reputable upscale Paint/Hdwr./Decorating, etc. store.

YES....it is just "Marketing Buzzwords".
* The paint companies are just touting the newest formulations as forming a tight-enough and dense-enough film...THAT ACTS LIKE A PRIMER, because surface-porosity is SOMEWHAT overcome by the newer/denser films.
* Example: ACE just came out with their new "Paint & Primer-in-one" after lots of development time (I work at such a store).
* The new paint is Ceramic-Microsphere based, like a couple other companies have done. It DOES have a tighter film-structure under a microscope, and an improved 100% Acrylic resin, BUT....

>>> It ISN'T an actual "Primer".
>>> NONE of the P&P paints have an actual separate primer in them.
>>> If you DID combine the two separate resin-types, you'd be sacrificing the capability of BOTH.

At least ACE states on the label that some surfaces SHOULD be separately primed b4 using even this new paint!!!

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Here is my two cents here. Semi gloss on a ceiling is asking for problems. Drywall finishers rarely spend as much time finishing the ceiling as the walls. Semi gloss will always show the imperfections on the surface more than a flat paint will. IMHO I would just do a couple of coats of flat over what is now on the ceiling using a 1/2" nap roller, rolling!! not pressing, light pressure and keep filling the roller, do not let it go dry. I know that sanding a glossy surface is the BEST way for good adheasion, but on a ceiling that does not get wear the sanding maybe be more work than needed.

I did not see anything about any stomp, sand or any other texture that may have been added to the ceiling. Is the ceiling flat finished???? Something I have done with ceilings is to do a sponge wash (taking flat paint watered down some and with a "turtle sponge" with the hard edges torn off) and literally washing in a figure 8 motion (not covering all the surface) the watered down flat paint. The flat paint over the semi will give different sheens that will play different with the light coming into the room hiding somewhat the beams and the previous roller marks. Adding the different sheens to the ceiling will change how the light plays off the ceiling thus hiding the imperfections.

I will add some pics of ceilings I have done if I can find them on the puter.
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Here are a couple of pics showing the wash over an eggshell finish. These pics were taken during the process of doing the ceiling. You can see how the light plays different on the sheen levels of the paint. The first pic is the first layer of the flat wash. I did a couple more passes slightly changing the formula (adding some of the wall paint to the white flat first wash). The second pic is the third pass. The third pic is the final finish. Once the walls were done the ceiling looks very soft, cloudy like, and there were plenty of bad mud joints that you just do not see anymore. I added a fourth pic showing the turtle sponge I used with a plastic dinner plate used for blotting the paints. The little brush there is to stomp into the corners between the ceiling and the walls so you can get an overall finish since the sponge is to big to get into the corners. Eggshell being the base coat is shiny, but not as shiny as semi. This could be done over semi and come out great.

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P.S. Load that roller up with paint! I mean, it should be almost dripping wet when you take it from the tray to the ceiling. So many DIYers barely get enough paint on their roller to cover one sq. ft. And, you have to move pretty quickly when doing ceilings. All the warm air tends to gather up there and this hastens the drying time of your ceiling paint. You said you're not pressing too hard so hopefully that is the case.
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you guys are so helpful.. thanks\ u all seriously.. about to start it up in half hr.. will keep u all posted... will try and put pics as well
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ok guys would like to first say thank you. used all your ideas and came out with a master plan. I bought the same ceiling paint that was on there before I put the semi gloss. Benjamin Moore Super Hide latex flat china white. I did make the roller wet. it was a blue roller with a 1/2" nap. made it wet and rolled it on using the "W" method. It dried even and looks probably better then the guy I bought the house from. sunlight and ceiling light showed nothing. I was amazed. Did not use primer applied the flat latex over the semi gloss latex. I didnt even sand. The paint store guy said that because I painted the semi gloss newly that it did not need anything extra and that it would stick just fine. It did. I kept the space I painted at about 3'x3' and kept it wet. Even my wife was amazed. I decided to do this after I called for a price and for a bedroom ceiling sized at apprx 10'x12' and i dont know if its a good price but he said $225 without the paint. He said no primer no sanding just 2 coates. I said what the hell let me try it out. Im very pleased. I would like to say thanks to all the people who gave insight and knowledge. Cheers
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I also did not apply pressure on the roller when applying and used the stick and regular way
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ok guys would like to first say thank you. used all your ideas and came out with a master plan. I bought the same ceiling paint that was on there before I put the semi gloss. Benjamin Moore Super Hide latex flat china white. I did make the roller wet. it was a blue roller with a 1/2" nap. made it wet and rolled it on using the "W" method. It dried even and looks probably better then the guy I bought the house from. sunlight and ceiling light showed nothing. I was amazed. Did not use primer applied the flat latex over the semi gloss latex. I didnt even sand. The paint store guy said that because I painted the semi gloss newly that it did not need anything extra and that it would stick just fine. It did. I kept the space I painted at about 3'x3' and kept it wet. Even my wife was amazed. I decided to do this after I called for a price and for a bedroom ceiling sized at apprx 10'x12' and i dont know if its a good price but he said $225 without the paint. He said no primer no sanding just 2 coates. I said what the hell let me try it out. Im very pleased. I would like to say thanks to all the people who gave insight and knowledge. Cheers

Way to go. Just for future reference( especially when doing walls that you are actually going to look at) a blue cover is a "cheap" cover. Using a "good" cover will make a difference in the long run.

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