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knute 04-18-2011 08:19 AM

Cabinet too shallow for wall oven?
 
I'm replacing an older wall oven with a new one and the cabinet depth (front to back) is only 23" while the specs call for 23.5" minimum. I don't have the new oven unit yet to actually see how well it fits but am concerned that my cabinet space is 1/2" too shallow. It looks like I have enough room between the back of the cabinet and the dry wall behind it to just cut out the back of the cabinet, but am concerned about whether that would be acceptable, or if I'd need to install some sort of fire resistant material on the dry wall also to be able to do this. I can't find anything on this in the local code book. Anybody have any experience with this issue? Thanks for any help.

tcleve4911 04-18-2011 08:59 AM

The back of the cabinet is not fire resistant so I don't think that comes into play. Open to the drywall should be fine.

If the cabinet is sandwiched between two other cabinets, it will get it's structural integrity from those.

md2lgyk 04-18-2011 11:38 AM

Pay careful attention to where the power connection is on the new oven is vs. the old one. Wall ovens don't have a lot of room behind them so junction box placement is critical.

Ron6519 04-18-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by knute (Post 631662)
I'm replacing an older wall oven with a new one and the cabinet depth (front to back) is only 23" while the specs call for 23.5" minimum. I don't have the new oven unit yet to actually see how well it fits but am concerned that my cabinet space is 1/2" too shallow. It looks like I have enough room between the back of the cabinet and the dry wall behind it to just cut out the back of the cabinet, but am concerned about whether that would be acceptable, or if I'd need to install some sort of fire resistant material on the dry wall also to be able to do this. I can't find anything on this in the local code book. Anybody have any experience with this issue? Thanks for any help.

I've never had a wall oven not fit in a wall oven cabinet.
Ron

troubleseeker 04-18-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron6519 (Post 631877)
I've never had a wall oven not fit in a wall oven cabinet.
Ron

I have....numerous times, and the worst offenders are the very expensive top end appliances. On some brands, they will not fit into the cabinet without cutting the back of the cabinet out to gain the extra 3/8" or so of depth and/or having to notch into the face frames as the unit needs the full interior width of the cabinet box. As most of our work is high end renovation, and usually ends up with top end appliances; if the owners have not purchased appliances before we install cabinets, I automatically
remove the back before installing the oven cabinet; the face frames are no problem to cut in place.

As others have mentioned, the placement of electrical junction boxes and gas supply lines has also become very critical and brand specific.

I bet things would be different if the person sitting in front of his computer and designing these ridiculous fits would have to spend a year in the field installing them.:yes:

firehawkmph 04-18-2011 09:15 PM

Trouble,
Exactly my thoughts. Whenever I am cutting out the faceframe, I always have to cuss the engineers out. They could allow for another 1/4" of overlap just to make things a little less stressful. And if you don't have the electrical rough in box in the right place, you're in trouble.
Mike Hawkins:)

knute 04-18-2011 09:24 PM

Thanks for all of the replies and feedback. I feel a bit better now, knowing it's common to resolve this issue by cutting out the back of the cabinet.

I also have to cut out the opening to increase the height from current 46+" to 48 7/8". I have about 5 3/8" of space to work with to get the , so I'll still have about 1.3" of clearance top and bottom, which I suppose is adequate. Any thoughts on that? Again, thanks for all the help.

md2lgyk 04-19-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by firehawkmph (Post 632163)
Trouble,
Exactly my thoughts. Whenever I am cutting out the faceframe, I always have to cuss the engineers out. They could allow for another 1/4" of overlap just to make things a little less stressful. And if you don't have the electrical rough in box in the right place, you're in trouble.
Mike Hawkins:)

I know what you mean. When I installed our wall oven, I had to enlarge the opening. Quite a "white-knuckle" moment, taking a saw to a $2000 cabinet.

knute 04-19-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by md2lgyk (Post 632448)
I know what you mean. When I installed our wall oven, I had to enlarge the opening. Quite a "white-knuckle" moment, taking a saw to a $2000 cabinet.

In my case, the face frame is attached to the cabinet box via little L-brackets in the inside corners that are attached with short phillips head screws so it comes right off, and then the frame itself is screwed together with angle screws so it looks like it comes right apart as well. So, I'm planning to take it off, and then apart, make the cuts with a table saw, then put it back together and screw it back into place. Knocking on wood here that it's just that easy . . .

tracyquilts 10-02-2015 02:17 PM

Going through this problem, right now. GE Profile 30 inch double wall oven does not fit into the cabinet where we just removed our 19 year old GE Profile 30 inch double wall ovens!! Crazy! Good to know that ripping out the cabinet back and/or the drywall is a viable option. UGH.

MT Stringer 10-02-2015 02:48 PM

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I have the same job to do next week. Fortunately, the home owner bought an oven that will fit (keeping fingers crossed). The existing oven required the previous installer to cut the face frame a little on each side.

However, the new oven will be installed lower in the cabinet. I already have several rails cut with pocket holes on one end. That will make it easy to cut to fit on location and drill two pocket holes and then install.

Actually, the whole cabinet is going to be modified. Thank goodness it will be painted. Modifications will be sanded smooth; should disappear.

MT Stringer 10-04-2015 01:43 PM

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When we pulled the oven out of the cabinet, we found this! Half of the receptacle was broken and laying in the bottom of the cabinet.

This mess was powering the electronics for the oven, the microwave and the vent hood. :surprise:

The electricians were there to run 240v for the new range and the oven going into the cabinet. They replaced this 120v receptacle and relocated it to the location for the new microwave.


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