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Old 08-04-2010, 11:51 AM   #16
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And you did the time in county lockup for GTA too?

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Old 08-04-2010, 01:37 PM   #17
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I imagine I must sound like a broken record, but I honestly cannot sing the praises of SketchUp enough.

And it is all absolutely, 100% FREE! No "trial version"... just FREE. And the upgrades are free too. I've upgraded three or four times.

The book shown below is a great help... especially when you use it in conjunction with the FREE online tutorials the author has compiled.
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Well, so far as sketchup goes, it has the best price, and with enough patience and practice, SOME people, (yeah, I'm lookin' at you WillieT) can really make it sing! Po)

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I also second the recommendation for sketch-up - I taught myself to use it this summer, and I was pretty darn proficient at in just a few days (having never used any sort of CAD program before).

The trick, like WillieT says, is to use the tutorials.

I never read instructions (my shelves are littered with manuals I've never opened), so for the first day I just mucked about with SU on my own and spent hours getting absolutely nowhere.

The next day I read one the the tutorials out of desperation, and within in 30 minutes I was humming right along.

Now whenever I run into an issue with SU I just google the problem (there's a free tutorial for pretty much anything you could run into or want to do with the program).
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Well, so far as sketchup goes, it has the best price, and with enough patience and practice, SOME people, (yeah, I'm lookin' at you WillieT) can really make it sing! Po)

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Actually only partially accurate there, Mouse.

SU can be an absolute bear to learn for people who already use CAD platforms. I mean it can have you on your knees, pulling your hair out!

You should see some of my earlier posts during the time I was trying to learn SU on my own. I all but cussed the developers of the program. I just could NOT get that accursed program to do a thing!

But it was not their fault nor that of the program. It was me.

Not only was I dead set upon forcing my acquired CAD skill set on SU (which WILL NOT WORK), but I also REFUSED to believe that I had to go back to beginning, basic tutorials. I knew better. I was CAD proficient, and this program was just junk.

When I finally got my head out of my...... well, out in the sunshine, and worked my way through a few tutorials, almost everything fell right into place.

And after I bought the book "SketchUp for Dummies", even more was revealed to me.

There are just some simple basic things about the way that program works that you need to accept are not what you are used to... and you have to commit to learning what they are.......... or you will be banging your head against a stone wall forever.

....... or, sadly, you will give up on one of the most exciting 3-D programs out there.
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It looks like there is a Sketchup 7 for free and a Sketchup pro for $495. Am I missing something? Which version are you talking about Willie?
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Yup, but you've practiced enough and studied enough to do good work fast with it. I'm pretty good with some other freeware/nagware out there, like PhotoFiltre, 2020, and Z-Brush, all good programs too. Z-Brush is more for art, but most of the simple line drawings I show here I do in PhotoFiltre free version. It's an easy to learn basic function program, upgradeable to "studio" version with more bells and whistles. 2020 is a great freeware "PSPro" or 'PhotoShop' type program, if they still make it. Tons of add-ons /plugins. Very customizable!

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It looks like there is a Sketchup 7 for free and a Sketchup pro for $495. Am I missing something? Which version are you talking about Willie?
I have the totally FREE version. I have never used the "Pro" version at all.
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With so many endorsements of sketchup I think I will revisit it again. Maybe WilleT is right. I was looking at it as just draw and pull kind of proggy and I never looked at the tutes. Maybe thats where my mistake was and I should be going back to basics. Anyhow I had gone ahead and ordered Chief Architect from Ebay so can't do anything about it now.

One question - can sketchup give a realistic view of interior color schemes and combinations?
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With so many endorsements of sketchup I think I will revisit it again. Maybe WilleT is right. I was looking at it as just draw and pull kind of proggy and I never looked at the tutes. Maybe thats where my mistake was and I should be going back to basics. Anyhow I had gone ahead and ordered Chief Architect from Ebay so can't do anything about it now.

One question - can sketchup give a realistic view of interior color schemes and combinations?
You decide. This was done with SketchUp.

Admittedly, it was done by an expert who ran it through an advanced rendering program, but it was developed from a basic SketchUp model.
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I downloaded it last night and started playing around with it and watching the videos. It occurred to me that this would be right up my son's ally. It involves puttering around on a computer. It turns out he had a CAD course in his first semester last fall. So he is now designing our new kitchen and will hopefully be able to educate me as time permits. For now though, I can get back to the bathroom.
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You decide. This was done with SketchUp.

Admittedly, it was done by an expert who ran it through an advanced rendering program, but it was developed from a basic SketchUp model.
WOW thats all I can say. Thanks
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How many have used SmartDraw 2010? I am using/playing with it right now for my future deck plans. It seems to be pretty straight forward.

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