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Old 06-25-2012, 08:13 AM   #16
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See attached sketch as an idea. The most important thing is that the two step heights are the same. The depth [front to back] I would build at 16" , but that is not so important. The bottom step extensions either side should match the bottom step depth.

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I like having the first step level with the door it prevents tripping.. A comfortable step is between 6 and 8 inches hi so if the distance between the lower deck and upper door sill is circa 16 inches or less split it in half and use two steps if it is more like two feet use three. P
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I agree with CP in eliminating the 'trip-hazard' of the tiny step-down at the threshold of the door.

But I will find some fault with making step rises as high as 8".

First of all, this is illegal in most areas, and secondly, eight inches really IS one heck of a long drop........ especially at night when you really can't see as well as you might like, and there are no handrails. (as in your case)
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So....Jousley...............how much height space do we have to work with here and we'll take a poll.............2 steps or 3
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16" up to the bottom of the wood trim underneath the threshold. 17.75 up to the door threshold. I think I would prefer to go all the way up to the door threshold and simply remove the white trim that is in the way.

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how many steps?

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3 steps, just a hair under 6" each.
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I see some good ideas about PT sleepers, equalizing risers, etc. One trick I learned from an old carpenter to fasten finish wood to concrete. With a hammer drill, drill 1/4" holes into concrete. Make some slightly tapered PT, (like dowels), small end a tight fit in the holes. Drive them in as an expansion anchor. I would use a stainless finish screw to expand the wood as much as possible, and hold and look better. Then you don't have big holes to fill. They used to make springy steel inserts called whistlers in brick & concrete walls to drive the old tapered, cut finish nails into. Works about the same way.
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3 steps, just a hair under 6" each.
As above it has to be 3 (or more) to be to code. Just shy of 6" is a nice step height for a front entry.
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OK guys, thanks so much for all your input. This was more of a recon mission for me, and probably won't get to work on it for a month or two. But I will find this thread and post the results with your recommendations.

Lastly, I have never attached wood to concrete. what would be the most effective method? and please explain the procedure for a first timer. I have hard tap con screws (not sure what they are), a .22 cartridge, glue? let me know the basics.

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Anchor your Pressure Treated battens or cleats with "Tapcons". Make sure that the masonry drill is the correct size for the screw being used. Go to this site for more information http://www.concretefasteners.com/anc...FcqP7Qodtlt0tQ

You can also used a dab of liquid nail as a added method.

I don't like using a "Ramset" being a power actuated nail as it has no method of adjustment after it is installed. It tends to split the cleat is you aren't careful.
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If it's just the small amount of concrete why don't you just remove it entirely? That's quick work for a rented electric jackhammer. Get it out of there entirely.

Then put in a nice, new set of entry steps. Mike's suggested diagram would look nice.

This way you'll be able to use whatever wood you like (that's suitable for the area) and not have to worry about whether it'll rot due lying on top of concrete. And you'll avoid the extra time and hassle of trying drill into the existing concrete.

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