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Old 02-22-2010, 07:48 AM   #16
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Just to add to what's already been said, you have a roof leak that may be compounded by poor insulation, improper vapour barrier, ice dams, high humidity, poor shingles, design, lack of Ice&Water Shield membrane - or any combination of these.

Is this a new problem? have you done anything recently like adding insulation - or had a new roof? are those shingles?

But I would start at the top and make sure there is an Ice&Water rubber membrane under the shingles. That's what we do up here to prevent ice dams that cause water to back up the roof and leak into the inside. Then I'd check on the extent of the insulation up there and make sure the "attic" section right above the windows is ventilated and/or insulated. The I'd check my vapour barrier whatever it is...I'd check for proper air sealing around light and plumbing fixtures etc so that no moisture from inside the house can get into the attic space.

Finding the leak will require someone find it - and then fix it; detective work, if you like - because water leaks have an odd way of starting and finishing in different places just to fool you. That may take some light demolition of drywall etc - but that's fixable. A roofer is a good place to start and many jobs we see like this are insurance-covered and therefore roofers are not only 'on-call' but willing to come out and fix the job.

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Just to add to what's already been said, you have a roof leak that may be compounded by poor insulation, improper vapour barrier, ice dams, high humidity, poor shingles, design, lack of Ice&Water Shield membrane - or any combination of these.

Is this a new problem? have you done anything recently like adding insulation - or had a new roof? are those shingles?

But I would start at the top and make sure there is an Ice&Water rubber membrane under the shingles. That's what we do up here to prevent ice dams that cause water to back up the roof and leak into the inside. Then I'd check on the extent of the insulation up there and make sure the "attic" section right above the windows is ventilated and/or insulated. The I'd check my vapour barrier whatever it is...I'd check for proper air sealing around light and plumbing fixtures etc so that no moisture from inside the house can get into the attic space.

Finding the leak will require someone find it - and then fix it; detective work, if you like - because water leaks have an odd way of starting and finishing in different places just to fool you. That may take some light demolition of drywall etc - but that's fixable. A roofer is a good place to start and many jobs we see like this are insurance-covered and therefore roofers are not only 'on-call' but willing to come out and fix the job.
Thanks ccarlisle. Yes, this is a new problem and no, I haven't done anything lately. I've owned the house since July of 2007 and I haven't touched the roof at all. They are shingles.

I'm gonna contact a roofing company. Thanks!

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The rubber membrane (i.e Grace's 'Ice&Water Shield', or equivalent) is pretty darned closed to being code in these parts, don't know about yours but, it should be there already. If you're having a roofer come in anyway, have him confirm this and how much coverage there is It comes in 3' wide rolls and it should cover the first 2-3' of the roof right at the edge (i.e above your window) and all over the valleys.

But even if you have it, ice can form and back up underneath the shingles and penetrate the sheathing, even through whatever other underlayment there is like 15# - or 30#lb - felt paper, depends. So there's no warranty there, just an added precaution. But, you'll still have to solve the problem and ice dams are caused by insulation issues, in part anyway.

Yet again, there may be nothing you can do about it...those electric cables may be an answer. Good luck
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The rubber membrane (i.e Grace's 'Ice&Water Shield', or equivalent) is pretty darned closed to being code in these parts, don't know about yours but, it should be there already. If you're having a roofer come in anyway, have him confirm this and how much coverage there is It comes in 3' wide rolls and it should cover the first 2-3' of the roof right at the edge (i.e above your window) and all over the valleys.

But even if you have it, ice can form and back up underneath the shingles and penetrate the sheathing, even through whatever other underlayment there is like 15# - or 30#lb - felt paper, depends. So there's no warranty there, just an added precaution. But, you'll still have to solve the problem and ice dams are caused by insulation issues, in part anyway.

Yet again, there may be nothing you can do about it...those electric cables may be an answer. Good luck
Ok, thanks for advice. What electric cables are you talking about?
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They're just electric cables that you attach to the parts where the overhang occurs; you zig-zag them across the roof, staple them to the shingles and plug them in from time to time. They heat up a bit just enough to prevent ice dams from happening.

I see them up here in hardware stores; you might keep an eye out for them and/or ask the roofer about them.

Your inspection report probably didn't mention much about the roof; inspectors don't usually take the roof apart (but they do go up into the attic) and many aren't required to climb up on the roof anyway, so you wouldn't have known.
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They're just electric cables that you attach to the parts where the overhang occurs; you zig-zag them across the roof, staple them to the shingles and plug them in from time to time. They heat up a bit just enough to prevent ice dams from happening.

I see them up here in hardware stores; you might keep an eye out for them and/or ask the roofer about them.

Your inspection report probably didn't mention much about the roof; inspectors don't usually take the roof apart (but they do go up into the attic) and many aren't required to climb up on the roof anyway, so you wouldn't have known.

Yeah I saw those electric cables online last night. I'll check them out. Thanks!
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This'll help...

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Thanks c. I appreciate it. I'm going to buy some roofmelt tablets tonight and then inspect the attic. Last time I was up there there were some rolls of insulation just laying there and some very old, unevenly spread blown insulation.

What do you think about me using my shop vac to suck out all the old blown insulation, taking out the rolls, inspect for leaks/seepage, repair any leaks I find and then blow in new insulation?

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Sounds like a proactive plan to me! Go for it!
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Sounds like a proactive plan to me! Go for it!
Thanks! Forgot about the $1500 Federal Tax Credit we have for this too here in the States right now. I win!
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That's "up to" $1500 or 30% of material cost only. You have to spend $4500 to get the $1500 credit and it's material only. As of now anyways......
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That's "up to" $1500 or 30% of material cost only. You have to spend $4500 to get the $1500 credit and it's material only. As of now anyways......
I was just reading all over energystar.gov and found nothing about the $4500. I did find that it's only covered on material costs and not labor. I'm fine with that. Where are you getting this $4500 number?
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Sounds like a proactive plan to me! Go for it!
Ok I've read conflicting stories, but I was up in my attic today and there is a bunch of what I'm assuming is rock wool insulation everywhere. Should I remove this before adding new insulation? What if there is a leak or seepage somewhere underneath it?
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I was just reading all over energystar.gov and found nothing about the $4500. I did find that it's only covered on material costs and not labor. I'm fine with that. Where are you getting this $4500 number?
You get 30% back on what you spend up to a Max Tax credit of $1500
...which equals spending $4500
They only indicate the Max credit

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http://bct.nrc.umass.edu/index.php/p...ting-ice-dams/

http://www.homeenergy.org/consumerinfo/roofs.php

http://www.rd.com/how-to-seal-attic-...icle18158.html

http://www.wag-aic.org/1999/WAG_99_baker.pdf

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